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Below is a transcript for the Feb 6 2025 Davidson County Commissioners meeting. The video can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/live/uBViDVxpOCw

The transcript was auto generated from the video so it's not 100% accurate. Please view the video and listen to what is said and who is saying it.

Short summary: The Commissioners hear a report from the engineer who represents Providence Partners (who ends up winning the contract to design the Sportsplex) and from Thomas Marshburn who is the Director of Parks and Recreation for Davidson County.

Of interest:
- The proposed cost of the project is dropped from $75 million to $65 million because "it sounds better"
- The presentation shown by the engineer includes a slide that shows $425,000 in estimated "revenue" for the 5 acre water park. The water park is modeled after the water park in Hartsville, SC which did not break even in 2025.
- The presentation shown by the engineer includes a slide that shows an estimated 90,000 visitors to the water park per year, which is also what the water park in Hartsville SC was estimated to have. From this point forward whenever the Commissioners spoke of the number of visitors to the Sportsplex they would say "90,000". Based on the number of visitors to similar sized travelball parks in the region chatgtp estimated the annual number of visitors to the Southmont Sportsplex at between 450,000 and 650,000.
- There is NO mention of this being a "community center". They (the engineer, Thomas Marshburn, and the Commissioners) are all very very clear that the intent of this facility is to be a regional travelball and tourist destination.
- Everyone is supportive of the project except Fred McClure.

(the first three hours of the meeting were omitted as they didn't relate to the Sportsplex)

(editorial comments are in red)
[02:57:38] 7j uh who's going to lead us off Mr
[02:57:41] Smith I'm going to turn it over to Mr
[02:57:43] marshburn he's the expert on this good
[02:57:46] morning Commissioners and I'm we'll turn
[02:57:48] it over real quick but I just want to
[02:57:50] tell you thank you and you tasked us
[02:57:52] with putting a master plan together and
[02:57:55] Brian and Corey from Providence Partners
[02:57:57] is here today to show
[02:57:59] you an exciting plan that we've come up
[02:58:02] with so I'm going to turn it over to
[02:58:04] them and let him go to
[02:58:08] it morning morning appreciate the
[02:58:12] opportunity to be here and have been
[02:58:14] happy to work with Thomas and uh Brian
[02:58:17] and uh the manager and Todd so I
[02:58:20] appreciate uh you guys' interest in this
[02:58:23] project um so when we started to get
[02:58:27] involved here a few months ago I think
[02:58:29] one of the biggest things that we've
[02:58:30] talked about the whole time is uh the
[02:58:32] vision of what this park uh can be I
[02:58:35] think when you talk about a project
[02:58:36] that's 350 Acres um this is not going to
[02:58:39] be your average soccer complex um so
[02:58:43] this is a pretty large facility so we've
[02:58:45] uh worked with staff and a of the the
[02:58:49] members here to create a vision
[02:58:51] statement um I'll refrain from reading
[02:58:54] it um I don't like to read from the
[02:58:56] slides um but when you think about what
[02:58:59] we're trying to put together here and
[02:59:00] what the vision is we're trying to
[02:59:02] capture something that's representative
[02:59:04] of uh the community here that will leave
[02:59:07] a lasting Mark and be a place that
[02:59:09] people can ultimately come and spend
[02:59:10] their
[02:59:13] time um a few of the other high high
[02:59:17] level items that we've talked about that
[02:59:20] this park will support would be your
[02:59:21] school systems um there are programs
[02:59:24] that are maybe under utilized or don't
[02:59:26] have a place to go right now I think
[02:59:28] cross country was one that we talked
[02:59:30] about for Middle School um providing a a
[02:59:34] a class a pool facility that'll be
[02:59:36] inside and year round um I think when
[02:59:40] you talk about a park of this size to
[02:59:43] not only serving the public side of
[02:59:45] things but the private side of things I
[02:59:46] think you're going to Garner a lot of
[02:59:47] interest from from folks that are
[02:59:49] looking to uh have you know birthday
[02:59:52] parties or large soccer tournament
[02:59:54] events or baseball tournaments um I
[02:59:56] think there's going to be some
[02:59:57] opportunities on the turf fields that
[02:59:59] have all the markings to provide
[03:00:01] exposure to sports that maybe aren't as
[03:00:04] locally accessible like your LaCrosse or
[03:00:07] your field hockey I think there's going
[03:00:08] to be opportunities that may not exist
[03:00:11] um here in the county and you know when
[03:00:13] you when you talk about a a landmark
[03:00:18] like what you'll see in phase two at the
[03:00:20] water mark uh the Water Park there's um
[03:00:24] garnered interest I think from the
[03:00:26] adjacent Economic Development
[03:00:28] opportunities that are going to happen
[03:00:30] um with the amount of people that can
[03:00:32] physically fit in this park and the
[03:00:33] people that will come to this park from
[03:00:36] in and around Davidson County and even
[03:00:39] Beyond um so when we met with the board
[03:00:43] or not the board Theiss the commission
[03:00:46] or the I think there was a committee
[03:00:49] yeah the parks and rec commission
[03:00:50] there's a few questions about where the
[03:00:51] site actually was um so what you'll see
[03:00:54] here is um a Google Earth with some of
[03:00:56] your local landmarks that are defined
[03:00:59] the quickest way to get here and I think
[03:01:01] just in English youd take exit 91 and
[03:01:03] head south about 10 miles um it's just
[03:01:08] behind Southmont Elementary School um
[03:01:10] cornered in right there at Highway 8 and
[03:01:14] H Rock
[03:01:16] Lake I think I think it's important to
[03:01:18] note I think the fire station right
[03:01:22] there is only a mile away so one of the
[03:01:24] things that we think about when we're
[03:01:27] talking about a project of this size is
[03:01:29] your emergency services um I think
[03:01:31] having something that's that close that
[03:01:34] accessible um is a is a key
[03:01:40] point so as we look regionally you'll
[03:01:42] see some of your communities that are
[03:01:44] within Davidson County highlighted here
[03:01:47] and they're oate travel times so you're
[03:01:49] looking anywhere from 10 to 25 I think
[03:01:52] 30 minutes probably on a bad day
[03:01:54] depending on which way you go is what I
[03:01:55] was seeing uh when I was plugging these
[03:01:57] communities in
[03:02:00] um and as we talked I think the intent
[03:02:03] of a 350 Acre Site is to be able to draw
[03:02:08] in larger groups um there's large soccer
[03:02:13] um organizations that will travel around
[03:02:15] to places that are similar um and host L
[03:02:20] um you know they're from their side of
[03:02:23] things it's privatized so it's a
[03:02:24] moneymaking opportunity where they need
[03:02:26] a place to go to have their their
[03:02:29] tournaments um so there are some of the
[03:02:33] larger cities that are within a 200 mile
[03:02:35] radius there in the red and then a 400
[03:02:38] mile radius in the
[03:02:43] green so to talk specifically about the
[03:02:46] site um North is actually to your left
[03:02:50] here so it's rotated 90
[03:02:53] degrees um counterclockwise from what
[03:02:56] you would see it on a map you can see
[03:02:58] the school that'ss there the property is
[03:03:00] listed on GIS is just under six uh 360
[03:03:03] Acres zoned ra2 the park would be
[03:03:06] developed by right and there's a few
[03:03:08] zoning uh requirements uh that are in
[03:03:11] you all's ordinance that we need to
[03:03:12] adhere to um I think most notably the
[03:03:16] 100 foot activity setback um is
[03:03:20] important when you think about the scope
[03:03:22] of what's going on in the lighting for
[03:03:24] the field so at a minimum all these
[03:03:26] recreational activities will be
[03:03:28] happening 100 ft from the adjacent
[03:03:29] properties and in the the white area
[03:03:33] there when we looked at the preliminary
[03:03:35] grading the areas in white are what will
[03:03:37] actually be disturbed so the areas that
[03:03:40] are showing up as treed that you can see
[03:03:43] in the background will remain treed um
[03:03:46] unless you choose to add something else
[03:03:49] in there um there's an existing cell
[03:03:52] tower an existing Creek um and one you
[03:03:56] know I think it's important to mention
[03:03:58] again that the lighting I think it's
[03:04:01] full cut off or directional lighting so
[03:04:04] you're not going to get any light
[03:04:05] pollution towards your property lines
[03:04:07] that would
[03:04:08] um be detrimental to the adjacent
[03:04:11] homeowners it's mostly residential with
[03:04:14] exception of the school um and it is
[03:04:16] within the Watershed District so there
[03:04:18] are some Max built upon area
[03:04:21] requirements um but we are well with
[03:04:23] under those well under those thresholds
[03:04:26] when you look at the size of the
[03:04:29] parcel so it's my understanding that
[03:04:32] this project we're talking about is
[03:04:35] going to be split up into phases there's
[03:04:36] a phase one that I believe you guys are
[03:04:38] already aware of and a phase two the
[03:04:41] phase one area is shown on the screen
[03:04:44] here um comes as the four basketball
[03:04:46] courts inside the Sports plex which is
[03:04:49] in that location there in the light blue
[03:04:53] um I believe Brian will talk to you
[03:04:56] about it in a minute but I think he said
[03:04:57] it's about half the size of a
[03:04:59] Walmart um so for scale that's kind of
[03:05:02] what you're thinking um plenty of room
[03:05:04] for indoor activities there'll be a disc
[03:05:06] golf course up in the upper right um
[03:05:10] there's a small parking lot that we
[03:05:12] would provide there so that would you
[03:05:14] know essentially just be built on
[03:05:16] existing grade um and be a natural area
[03:05:19] for those folks there's eight soccer
[03:05:21] fields that you're seeing here I believe
[03:05:23] the plan for two of those to be Turf
[03:05:25] including the Showcase field which would
[03:05:27] be this one that one would have a set of
[03:05:29] bleachers and we'll show up it again in
[03:05:32] your slides uh with a rendering uh
[03:05:34] several playgrounds which are the blue
[03:05:36] square or the I'm sorry the purple
[03:05:37] squares that you're seeing um and the
[03:05:41] red squares are restroom facilities and
[03:05:44] pedestrian Pavilions um there's
[03:05:47] approximately 2 and 1/2 acre mile
[03:05:49] walking Track that you'll see in brown
[03:05:51] it kind of comes around this way and is
[03:05:56] uh it goes around the perimeter mostly
[03:05:59] but in the high pedestrian areas um
[03:06:02] we've envisioned the paved like a con a
[03:06:05] wider 11 or 12T wide concrete path to be
[03:06:08] incorporated in that walking trail um in
[03:06:11] the areas on the outskirts I think it
[03:06:13] would be great to incorporate the cross
[03:06:15] country course that would parallel your
[03:06:18] more accessible walking trail so that
[03:06:20] parents and people coming to see the
[03:06:23] Cross Country Events could see those as
[03:06:25] well
[03:06:27] um some of the less flashier
[03:06:30] improvements that would been included in
[03:06:32] phase one uh are your parking areas that
[03:06:35] you see there in Orange uh the
[03:06:37] associated field lighting things like
[03:06:39] the seating and the um Turf for the
[03:06:43] actual fields are obviously going to be
[03:06:45] included um
[03:06:48] mask rating for phase two which is these
[03:06:50] areas in blue I think it's important
[03:06:53] again to note the size of this project
[03:06:57] um in order to to prepare the land in a
[03:06:59] way that would uh easily facilitate
[03:07:02] future development and to make sure that
[03:07:04] the dirt balances going ahead and doing
[03:07:06] all of your land disturbing activity
[03:07:08] within phase one is currently the plan
[03:07:12] um there's a few uh
[03:07:15] notable items to talk about believe this
[03:07:17] is on the next slide on the access a
[03:07:20] partiel of this size we've got three
[03:07:22] access points um one is on the North
[03:07:25] side up there is access one or it's plan
[03:07:29] North here uh access one from Owen Road
[03:07:33] um access two from Riverwood road on the
[03:07:35] left hand side and then Beckner road on
[03:07:37] the bottom um parks are really difficult
[03:07:41] to perform what's called a TIA uh those
[03:07:45] will typically come to you all for your
[03:07:46] larger earnings for subdivisions a
[03:07:49] traffic impact analysis um it's it's
[03:07:53] tough to
[03:07:54] say the demand the traffic demands that
[03:07:57] are going to be increased on the
[03:07:58] adjacent roads because your Peak traffic
[03:08:00] is going to be different your larger
[03:08:02] events are going to be on your weekends
[03:08:03] and tias are generally based upon your
[03:08:06] peak hour 7 to n during the week and 4
[03:08:09] to six in the evenings during the week
[03:08:12] um looking at some adjacent Parks I
[03:08:15] think just physically getting people in
[03:08:18] and out these are some of the
[03:08:19] improvements that you'll see if you were
[03:08:21] to look at a similar part of this side
[03:08:23] you're going to look for left and right
[03:08:24] turn Lanes into access one off of Owen
[03:08:27] Road which would be your featured
[03:08:28] entrance uh it's probably would be uh
[03:08:31] median IED with exit lanes turning left
[03:08:34] and right can you use your pointer and show
[03:08:36] where that Owens Road access is yeah
[03:08:39] it's up here access one okay um so as
[03:08:43] you're coming down Highway 8 um it feel
[03:08:47] feel you know it feels more natural and
[03:08:49] it's easier to get to access one is was
[03:08:52] the reason for the designation the the
[03:08:54] second access there is access to on the
[03:08:57] left side or true north side of the
[03:09:00] property um I
[03:09:02] think uh ushering traffic into access
[03:09:06] one is going to be the preferred option
[03:09:08] so at access two I'm envisioning just a
[03:09:11] left turn lane that would be needed we
[03:09:12] haven't contacted do to to uh talk about
[03:09:16] if a formal TI will be required these
[03:09:19] are just trying to give you guys a
[03:09:21] ballpark of what you're going to be
[03:09:22] looking at no pun intend it
[03:09:26] um access three that's uh really going
[03:09:29] to provide you more access to your
[03:09:31] baseball fields uh there's this parking
[03:09:34] lot here um so if someone were coming
[03:09:37] let's just say specifically for baseball
[03:09:39] and they were local to the area they
[03:09:41] could come around this way but I think
[03:09:42] it serves as a really good emergency
[03:09:44] access you'll notice there's a few more
[03:09:46] additional uh single family homes here
[03:09:50] so you we're going to be a little bit
[03:09:52] constrained on how wide we can make that
[03:09:54] access I think it would still serve well
[03:09:57] to be paved um but that would be sort of
[03:09:59] your um emergency uh emergency valve if
[03:10:05] all these other accesses are clogged up
[03:10:07] will you point out parking
[03:10:11] lots uh the parking lots are going to be
[03:10:13] in
[03:10:14] Orange we got okay okay so all right
[03:10:18] that's brown to me so I'm sorry Brown
[03:10:21] I'm I'm good either way okay when you
[03:10:23] look at sort of the how we chose to lay
[03:10:26] this park out there's a yellow spine
[03:10:28] Road it's a little bit harder to see
[03:10:31] yellow
[03:10:32] mustard um whichever um but the intent
[03:10:36] was here for the main traffic to be
[03:10:38] pushed away from the high pedestrian
[03:10:41] corridors so and I don't want to mention
[03:10:44] that because again with the volume of
[03:10:46] kids I think it's 1300 people that would
[03:10:49] potentially be in this water park or the
[03:10:50] quad area that we're calling it Sports
(the population of Southmont is approx 1500)
[03:10:52] plex we wanted to concentrate the
[03:10:55] actual traffic flow away from the areas
[03:10:58] where that there are going to be kids
[03:11:00] running around that may you know I've
[03:11:02] got a 2-year-old I can only watch him so
[03:11:04] much So eventually I'm going to look
[03:11:06] down at my phone so when you think about
[03:11:08] the security of this and the way that it
[03:11:10] gets built out uh should you choose to
[03:11:13] Value engineer out some parking you
[03:11:16] would build it off of the spine Road and
[03:11:19] and keep keep the quick Ingress and
[03:11:22] egress away from your your high
[03:11:25] pedestrian
[03:11:26] corridors uh one feature that we wanted
[03:11:29] to incorporate was a roundabout right
[03:11:31] here um there so this is would be right
[03:11:35] beside your showcase field which would
[03:11:37] be the field with the bleachers the sign
[03:11:40] you know we envisioned some sort of
[03:11:41] enhanced signage that would potentially
[03:11:44] go in the roundabout like you saw on the
[03:11:45] first slide uh um that would sort of
[03:11:49] announce that you're here I think it
[03:11:50] would make for some great um some great
[03:11:54] pictures um and a place to put some
[03:11:57] wayfinding information um as you're
[03:12:00] trying to get around
[03:12:01] here
[03:12:04] um I think that's pretty much it on the
[03:12:06] park
[03:12:08] access they're just highlighting those
[03:12:10] three different accesses and Brian's
[03:12:12] going to talk to you a little bit more
[03:12:13] about the buildings themselves and what
[03:12:16] you can expect phase
[03:12:18] two thank you course Brian you you said
[03:12:21] something while ago or there was
[03:12:22] something mentioned that it'd be about
[03:12:24] the size of a Wallmart a half about a
[03:12:26] half a Walmart yeah I was going to say
[03:12:28] that's that's Walmarts are always about
[03:12:29] 100 110,000 this is about 50,000 yeah so
[03:12:33] this is this building is just a
[03:12:34] rendering we were just uh trying to come
[03:12:36] up with just a beginning just to have a
[03:12:38] concept or an understanding um
[03:12:41] pre-engineered metal building is
[03:12:42] definitely the way to go bang for buck
[03:12:45] and things like that we can get into
[03:12:46] some value engineering get that far so
[03:12:48] this would hold four basketball courts
[03:12:51] that have the same the mechanism in the
[03:12:53] floor that could be converted to uh
[03:12:55] volleyball courts or it could be pickle
[03:12:58] ball courts and there's some offices and
[03:13:00] concessions and stuff like that on the
[03:13:02] on the end of the building there and
[03:13:04] just that's kind of the the feel of what
[03:13:06] the inside of that would look like with
[03:13:08] the courts side by side so that's a nice
[03:13:11] indoor facility and that is part of
[03:13:12] phase one this would be the Showcase
[03:13:15] field so as Cory mentioned when you come
[03:13:17] come in the park there's this nice
[03:13:18] roundabout you put a really neat sign
[03:13:20] out there in the middle of the
[03:13:21] roundabout it's kind of your money shot
[03:13:23] when you're coming into the park so to
[03:13:25] speak and this would be your where the
[03:13:28] you know every every Sports Complex has
[03:13:31] what they call the show field it's like
[03:13:33] you earn your way up to play at that
[03:13:35] field that's where the the the the final
[03:13:38] games are and so that would be that's
[03:13:40] just an idea of what we would think that
[03:13:42] field would look like in this park
[03:13:44] setting uh baseball
[03:13:47] our baseball diamonds uh so this would
[03:13:49] be in Phase One there four Fields uh so
[03:13:53] this would be give a sense of what that
[03:13:55] looks like and just again just uh some
[03:13:58] visual uh understanding um so what I
[03:14:02] want to step to real quick is just what
[03:14:05] phase two would look like because again
[03:14:07] as Corey said in Phase One we're wanting
[03:14:09] to grade the entire site for efficiency
[03:14:12] because it would be we it would be it
[03:14:14] would be more expensive for you to try
[03:14:16] to do it in two parts
[03:14:17] so but if we're thinking about where all
[03:14:19] the buildings are going then we can
[03:14:22] grade the whole thing even if you don't
[03:14:23] build phase two right out of the gate um
[03:14:26] oops sorry can you go back can you go
[03:14:28] back to those fields right quick I just
[03:14:30] want to look at it
[03:14:33] yep
[03:14:35] there's I mean I know he didn't my uh my
[03:14:39] drafter did this and I don't know if he
[03:14:41] played baseball I asked him where the
[03:14:43] dugouts were but me I didn't have time
[03:14:46] to fix that
[03:14:47] it'll be ultimately fully developed okay
[03:14:50] lighting dugouts all the elements of a
[03:14:53] typical
[03:14:54] baseball field um so we cor as Cory
[03:14:59] mentioned what I do like about this neat
[03:15:01] plan is when we get into this we've
[03:15:03] pictured this middle area for lack of a
[03:15:06] better or fancier name I call it the
[03:15:08] quad so you've got all this activity
[03:15:11] around it and then that's your
[03:15:13] centralized point of some of your bigger
[03:15:15] items and you could have some food
[03:15:16] trucks out there Pavilion
[03:15:19] shelters all kinds of things happening
[03:15:21] in the quad and then you've got all the
[03:15:23] fields kind of working around that uh so
[03:15:27] in phase two we would be introducing two
[03:15:30] more soccer
[03:15:31] fields um we would be introducing pickle
[03:15:35] ball outdoor pickle ball and Tennis
[03:15:37] Courts we would be introducing an open
[03:15:40] air Pavilion like a really large picnic
[03:15:43] shelter or just an open air shelter for
[03:15:45] families with they're getting some
[03:15:47] concessions or wanting to do a picnic or
[03:15:49] something like that we uh would have
[03:15:51] four more baseball fields uh the second
[03:15:55] of the that would give you a total of
[03:15:56] eight more obviously more restrooms and
[03:15:59] playgrounds the additional parking
[03:16:01] whoops I went too quick uh an additional
[03:16:04] parking which would
[03:16:06] be up here as we built these two fields
[03:16:09] we would build more parking and one of
[03:16:11] the biggest complaints we hear from the
[03:16:13] travel teams and the other things or
[03:16:16] even like the big BB&T park there in
[03:16:19] Winston is parking people parking on the
[03:16:21] grass side of the road and so it seems
[03:16:25] but if you have 1300 people in the water
[03:16:27] park and you have a soccer tournament
[03:16:29] going on with 10 fields and you have a
[03:16:31] baseball tournament you literally could
[03:16:33] end up with three or 4 thousand cars out
[03:16:35] there so parking is and the nice part is
[03:16:39] you have lots of land so even if we
[03:16:42] don't do it some phas in some way we
[03:16:45] just wanted to make sure there was
[03:16:46] adequate parking because that's probably
[03:16:47] one of the biggest complaints about
[03:16:49] going to these tournaments
[03:16:51] is parking issues and trying to get
[03:16:54] people in and out so the second part of
[03:16:57] phase two the bigger ticket items is the
[03:17:00] one of them is the
[03:17:01] natatorium I got that backwards U the
[03:17:04] natatorium is the fancy word for the
[03:17:06] indoor pool eight lane pool this would
[03:17:09] give you your swim team competition
[03:17:12] location for your schools and training
[03:17:14] but we also thought it was good the
[03:17:17] facilities team brought up a good point
[03:17:19] that we would have some what I'm going
[03:17:21] to call fun elements in that atorium so
[03:17:25] if you have a fall baseball tournament
[03:17:27] and you've got two little kids there you
[03:17:31] can still go to the pool and play and
[03:17:33] there's a slide and there's other fun
[03:17:35] things in the pool so you get seasonal
[03:17:37] re you know seasonal use out of this
[03:17:40] park it's the water park is not just
[03:17:42] shut off at Labor Day that there's
[03:17:45] access to the pool year round and some
[03:17:47] fun elements like a slide and splash
[03:17:49] area and then of course and I got those
[03:17:51] backwards I apologize but and so that
[03:17:54] was the natatorium right there next door
[03:17:57] and then this is the actual water park
[03:17:59] to give you a sense that is about 4 and
[03:18:01] A2 Acres so it's not a small thing uh
[03:18:05] includes Lazy River Splash Pool pads
[03:18:08] slides I did some pictures but then we
[03:18:11] have a little quick video
[03:18:13] too again this is just giving some
[03:18:15] thought to what the quad area looks like
[03:18:18] your courts your Sports plex your
[03:18:21] Auditorium this water park you have a
[03:18:23] pavilion so it's really you could have
[03:18:26] quite the park setting there within the
[03:18:28] park
[03:18:29] almost um other elements of what these
[03:18:33] look like okay and hopefully the sound
[03:18:36] will be down there's some bad there's
[03:18:38] some cheesy background music to this
[03:18:39] video and I'm going I didn't make you go
[03:18:42] through that so let's see if I can get
[03:18:44] this so This was done for Gaffney South
[03:18:48] Carolina and this is it's only about 2
[03:18:51] and 1/2 minutes long but this is very
[03:18:53] close to the scale and size and features
[03:18:58] of this I wanted to just so you got a
[03:19:01] splash weight in pool on this side
[03:19:03] you've got the Cabanas on the left over
[03:19:05] there you've got for little kids you've
[03:19:08] got a a pool there to the up at the big
[03:19:11] top of the screen that has the um for a
[03:19:14] little bit older kids and they kind of
[03:19:17] drag all this out a little bit that's
[03:19:19] the tower for the
[03:19:21] slides uh so that's where kids would go
[03:19:24] up and pick a slide and they've got four
[03:19:26] slides there to choose from again that
[03:19:29] this whole side is a gradual water where
[03:19:32] kids can wait in so if you got a little
[03:19:34] kid he can go up to his knees or go all
[03:19:37] the way for
[03:19:38] swimming um and
[03:19:40] so that and there's a transition we're
[03:19:43] getting ready to get into so what
[03:19:45] happens is the lazy river is on our left
[03:19:47] up here and it's at a different
[03:19:48] elevation we're getting ready to the
[03:19:50] video is getting ready to move up there
[03:19:51] so that's why you see this wall to your
[03:19:53] left this wall right here is where we're
[03:19:56] transitioning to the upper
[03:20:00] tier I did notice the peach there the
[03:20:04] Gaffney water
[03:20:07] tower um so this is on the other side of
[03:20:09] the tower this is on the high side of
[03:20:11] the wall we have the bridge that goes
[03:20:12] from this tower that gets you to this
[03:20:15] lazy river
[03:20:17] and in The Lazy River has uh also a will
[03:20:22] have a little wave pool in it in the
[03:20:24] midst of it uh these are the access
[03:20:27] points lazy river is a pretty good it's
[03:20:30] pretty good size that's 12 feet wide uh
[03:20:32] just so you would
[03:20:34] know um this is all we're getting close
[03:20:37] to the end
[03:20:39] here because it's going to show you the
[03:20:41] natatorium our the natatorium we
[03:20:43] proposing would be just a little bigger
[03:20:44] cuz we bringing in some some of these
[03:20:47] slide elements indoors so it could be
[03:20:49] all year um but this gives you an idea
[03:20:52] that scale and
[03:20:54] scope again four and a half acres is
[03:20:56] pretty good size
[03:21:00] property we're almost there let's see in
[03:21:03] editorial I
[03:21:09] don't
[03:21:11] yeah all right so stop stopping right
[03:21:13] there does anybody got any questions PA
[03:21:16] I don't know how to pause it to be
[03:21:18] truthful maybe okay yeah I do not pause
[03:21:21] it do anybody got any questions on that
[03:21:23] part
[03:21:25] there oh look one of the things we had
[03:21:29] mentioned because I had a dry run
[03:21:31] through this being on the the par board
[03:21:33] is for the the upper tier right there's
[03:21:36] stairs but there's also a ramp so it is
[03:21:39] Ada accessible and and all that I think
[03:21:41] you would mentioned that yes sir yeah
[03:21:43] 100% of this will be Ada accessible and
[03:21:46] compliant and and and all those elements
[03:21:49] are are required and would be required
[03:21:51] to be part of it but yeah and I talked
[03:21:53] to Thomas and I guess it'd be a daily
[03:21:55] cost for for our citizens to use this
[03:21:59] and and and I have a nice slide coming
[03:22:02] up we have a the town of Hartsville
[03:22:04] South Carolina which is a rural
[03:22:06] community built something very similar
[03:22:08] to this and gave us all their numbers so
[03:22:10] I was going to show you those it's crazy
[03:22:12] how many people they pull in and one
[03:22:14] thing I'd say now if if if we were to do
[03:22:17] something like this and it's very nice
[03:22:19] and I wish I was about 30 uh 40 years
[03:22:22] younger you know cuz i' I'd like to see
[03:22:24] this and and be able to participate in
[03:22:26] it um we would need to
[03:22:29] charge people from out of town more
[03:22:32] money you know because our citizens are
[03:22:34] paying for this up front our citizens
[03:22:37] are paying for this so you and I don't
[03:22:39] know how you would do that but I'm and
[03:22:41] I'm getting the the the cart in front of
[03:22:44] the horse but you know again and people
[03:22:47] from out of the county and now should
[03:22:49] have a different rate than than our
[03:22:50] folks you know well some of the places
[03:22:53] I've worked has a resident and a
[03:22:54] non-residency and they also have season
[03:22:57] passes which I think you'll refer to a
[03:23:00] little bit later in the other side too
[03:23:02] where y'all can approve a a fee for a
[03:23:04] season pass for a family up to four to
[03:23:06] be able to come and go all summer long
[03:23:08] and and we getting a long ways off off
[03:23:10] path but again to me it would be double
[03:23:12] if you didn't live here so you know it'd
[03:23:15] be $30 a day not
[03:23:17] and to be able to I mean to me I'm just
[03:23:18] saying $30 is cheap for something like
[03:23:21] this um person per person yeah if you're
[03:23:25] a non-resident you know right right for
[03:23:27] a resident 15's great you know let let's
[03:23:30] get them in there but anyway because
[03:23:32] again our taxpayers are paying for it
[03:23:35] twice yep if we uh and the schools right
[03:23:39] again I know we're we're getting further
[03:23:41] down but teams that find schools
[03:23:44] throughout the county where they don't
[03:23:46] have the fields to practice they need
[03:23:47] athletic spots to practice during the
[03:23:49] week they would they would not pay right
[03:23:52] so it's benefiting the schools like and
[03:23:54] I can imagine too if a school were being
[03:23:57] considered they may not need as Grand a
[03:24:00] facility there if they have this
[03:24:02] incredible showcase
[03:24:04] facility that they can access
[03:24:08] potentially I'll let this play out then
[03:24:10] I've got a a financial slide and then
[03:24:12] I'm I'm pretty close to so this is the
[03:24:14] natatorium the indoor pool you can see
[03:24:16] the little blocks there on the left prob
[03:24:18] we make them out where they do the swim
[03:24:20] meets and different things like that and
[03:24:21] as as we Thomas I know has reached out
[03:24:23] to the schools they would be excited
[03:24:25] about being able to gain access to the
[03:24:28] pools and different things like that for
[03:24:29] their team oh
[03:24:32] no I don't know what I'm doing yes ma'am
[03:24:35] can you forward that fast forward that
[03:24:37] so we don't have to yeah that'd be oh
[03:24:40] that's okay so this is uh what I did is
[03:24:44] we tracked down some information so I
[03:24:46] have two parts here and I'll explain why
[03:24:48] I picked what I did the upper level is
[03:24:50] for a water park and the lower level is
[03:24:52] for a sport Sports Park alone so the
[03:24:57] upper one is from the community of
[03:24:59] Hartsville South Carolina and again I
[03:25:02] picked that because I didn't feel like
[03:25:03] comparing us to Myrtle Beach or
[03:25:05] Gatlinburg or something like that was
[03:25:07] very reasonable Hartsville South
[03:25:09] Carolina only has a population of 62,000
[03:25:12] in the county versus Davidson has
[03:25:15] 174,000 so it's literally Davidson
[03:25:18] county is three times larger than this
[03:25:20] County Hartsville the town of Hartsville
[03:25:22] which this water park is near has about
[03:25:24] 7,400 people obviously the Southmont
[03:25:27] Community is
[03:25:28] smaller but their closest town is 26
[03:25:31] miles away to Florence South Carolina
[03:25:34] we're 12 miles to Lexington they have
[03:25:36] about the same little further away to
[03:25:39] any major
[03:25:40] Interstate their park is just a little
[03:25:42] bit smaller than what we're proposing
[03:25:45] theirs is as pure seasonal par they have
[03:25:47] no indoor pool of any kind so it shuts
[03:25:50] down at Labor
[03:25:52] Day now these numbers on the left are
[03:25:54] from them they average 90,000 visitors
[03:25:58] in that three and a half four Month

(Neptune Island is only open full time two and a half months per year)

[03:26:00] window they have a net positive revenue
[03:26:04] of
[03:26:05] $425,000 a year from the
[03:26:08] park uh in

(the budget for Hartsville SC shows that in 2025 the water park lost money)

[03:26:10] $225 they spent about 14 million to
[03:26:13] build it and they report an economic
[03:26:16] impact of 54 million for all the
[03:26:19] visitors trying to I'm not I was kind of
[03:26:22] joking that as a as a civil structural
[03:26:25] engineer doing feasibility studies is
[03:26:27] not I'm going to pretend is my exact
[03:26:29] Forte but just trying to extrapolate a
[03:26:31] number out of that I I just said Thomas
[03:26:34] and I we talked 93,000 Pat patrons is is
[03:26:37] a reasonable estimate given we would
[03:26:40] have a bigger Park and we have more
[03:26:43] people in the county and we have an
[03:26:45] indoor facility so we'd be open all year
[03:26:47] long in some form of fashion then
[03:26:51] playing with those numbers about a
[03:26:52] million dollars of net revenue positive
[03:26:55] net revenue um cost to build we're
[03:27:00] working with that depends on what how
[03:27:03] many of these elements you kind of out
[03:27:05] cart pick and choose to put the whole
[03:27:06] thing together so doing all the kind of
[03:27:09] the math I came up with about a $60
[03:27:11] million reported economic
[03:27:13] impact on the second one
[03:27:16] I looked at the Rocky Mount Rocky Mount
[03:27:18] North Carolina they built a sports
[03:27:21] complex no pool involved whatsoever just
[03:27:23] a bunch of really nice baseball fields
[03:27:25] and soccer
[03:27:26] fields their population is about 55,000
[03:27:29] for the town itself they kind of split
[03:27:31] two counties in half so that's where
[03:27:34] they're at so they have their inventory
[03:27:36] is 11 baseball fields and eight soccer
[03:27:39] fields phase one we would be four
[03:27:41] baseball fields and eight soccer fields
[03:27:44] they just built they have a sports
[03:27:45] plexus
[03:27:47] 160,000 Square ft where we're proposing
[03:27:49] a
[03:27:50] 51,000 they spent $43
[03:27:53] million just to do that and we're saying
[03:27:57] your first phase is 29
[03:27:59] million um yearly revenue is a lot of
[03:28:03] reading and just trying to understand
[03:28:05] but it appears from what I've read and
[03:28:07] and looking at Monroe and other areas I
[03:28:10] estimated a yearly positive revenue of
[03:28:14] 300,000 reported economic impact they
[03:28:16] did report 15 million I reduced that to
[03:28:20] 10 uh and just show you on the bottom
[03:28:23] that the average citizen has just a
[03:28:25] little more money in Davidson County
[03:28:27] than the Rocky Mount North Carolina area
[03:28:29] just to make keep try to keep things on
[03:28:32] an even playing field the median income
[03:28:34] any questions about this slide or
[03:28:36] 300,000 is that net after expenses
[03:28:38] that's net after
[03:28:40] expenses
[03:28:41] consistently but what I think what makes
[03:28:44] this one potentially even better letter
[03:28:46] is there is very very few on the Eastern
[03:28:49] United States that has the water park
[03:28:51] and Sports Complex combo so if you got
[03:28:55] three kids coming and little Sally's
[03:28:58] playing on her u12 soccer team then the
[03:29:01] M you know can take the two kids over to
[03:29:03] the water park and spend the day over
[03:29:05] there in the water park that's a rare
[03:29:08] combo to have so but the good news is
[03:29:12] from a net
[03:29:13] revenue uh Monroe States full um all
[03:29:18] these people we got numbers from show a
[03:29:21] positive net revenue every year that
[03:29:23] they're not that it's it's it's it's a
[03:29:26] positive to the the books I and I think
[03:29:29] it's probably safe to say too that these
[03:29:32] estimates for us are are probably pretty
[03:29:35] conservative yes um I mean if I'm just
[03:29:38] looking at it the the county and you
[03:29:40] pulled it from South Carolina right the
[03:29:42] the Neptune water park right to your
[03:29:44] point where population wise three almost
[03:29:47] three times larger we sit nestled in the
[03:29:50] center of the state you've got Charlotte
[03:29:53] to the southe east or Southwest you've
[03:29:55] got uh Raleigh to the East and of course
[03:29:59] the I 85 uh conduit directing so I think
[03:30:04] in my mind right it would be much higher
[03:30:07] in terms of who we would attract the the
[03:30:10] amount of people and the revenue I know
[03:30:12] we're trying to keep it conservative now
[03:30:13] you're exactly right because if you look
[03:30:15] at map of Darlington South Carolina the
[03:30:18] county and the town of Hartsville other
[03:30:20] than Florence they don't have a city to
[03:30:23] pull from Beyond that where you guys
[03:30:25] obviously have Winston Greensboro Ry
[03:30:27] Charlotte I mean it can your reach is

(reminder, Charlotte has Carowinds, Greensboro has Wet and Wild and both are much larger than the 4.5 acre water park he is proposing)

[03:30:30] you're more you're better positioned as
[03:30:32] you as you said yeah I was trying to be
[03:30:34] really conservative and not to present a
[03:30:36] false hope or number but I was truly I
[03:30:40] mean it was reading their information
[03:30:43] it's amazing they pull from Virginia and
[03:30:45] South Carol and Georgia just to that
[03:30:47] water park it's uh 90,000 people is a
[03:30:51] lot of people to flow through in four
[03:30:53] months and the water park as presented
[03:30:55] today would hold about 1,300
[03:30:58] capacity at any one point in time that's
[03:31:01] what it's built
[03:31:03] for um and they capped last note
[03:31:07] Hartsville South Carolina did cap their
[03:31:09] memberships at seven no Monroe Monroe
[03:31:13] did so well with their water park that
[03:31:15] they turn turned theirs into what is
[03:31:16] that called an Enterprise System where
[03:31:19] it's self-
[03:31:20] sustained and they CA their memberships
[03:31:23] at 177,000 and so so they were their
[03:31:26] revenue was so positive they just they
[03:31:28] funded their entire they went in
[03:31:32] Reverse um so that's
[03:31:35] um that's the so that's kind of the
[03:31:38] final buildout I just wanted to leave
[03:31:39] you with that um and uh just uh we can
[03:31:44] send out I mean it's a matter of the
[03:31:46] record now but we can send this out to
[03:31:48] look at or whatever are there any uh
[03:31:50] more questions or concerns or or
[03:31:54] thoughts if I delete that the slide with
[03:31:57] the video in it it becomes much smaller
[03:32:00] right yes ma'am okay yes much much email
[03:32:02] it yeah and you can also do a print to
[03:32:05] PDF and that will make it much better
[03:32:07] and it'll make it go out as a small file
[03:32:10] more of a statement I know you all have
[03:32:11] heard my my opinion but I think this is
[03:32:13] a a really great example of thinking
[03:32:17] boldly and acting boldly and having a
[03:32:20] vision for the county um this goes back
[03:32:23] to what we had talked about previously
[03:32:27] with um making Davidson County a
[03:32:30] destination right and all of these
[03:32:33] things combined the the sports pieces
[03:32:35] the water park right that that's going
[03:32:37] to differentiate us um throughout the
[03:32:40] state and I think um it'll benefit not
[03:32:43] just our citizens right I mean that's
[03:32:45] what we really want want to do for
[03:32:46] families and for kids I think it'll help
[03:32:48] the school systems I think it'll bring
[03:32:50] in Economic Development so again it's
[03:32:52] it's it's thinking boldly and it's
[03:32:54] acting
[03:32:56] boldly good uh I'd like for everybody to
[03:32:58] have a little save trip uh do you like
[03:33:01] to say a little something I mean I'd
[03:33:02] like to I'd like to hear every board
[03:33:04] member's thought process you know just
[03:33:06] sitting on the committee with Thomas a
[03:33:08] couple of weeks ago and get getting
[03:33:09] presented with this and I Echo the
[03:33:12] statements of Matt being with a business
[03:33:13] background I think it's going to be a
[03:33:16] huge attraction for our County in
[03:33:18] revenue and I'm excited about it
[03:33:22] okay I'm actually quite Blown Away by uh
[03:33:28] because I you know I'm a visual person
[03:33:31] so when I see it I can I can see um the
[03:33:35] many
[03:33:36] advantages uh I do want to see somewhere
[03:33:40] along the line and I don't know whether
[03:33:42] that's just going to come from Thomas or
[03:33:44] from y'all about uh the idea cuz I think
[03:33:47] you need to have everything in front of
[03:33:49] us before we just divide into phases and
[03:33:53] that sort of thing and how much money
[03:33:54] we're looking at but um the cost of
[03:33:58] operation uh both because it's going to
[03:34:01] if we're going to keep it open for the
[03:34:03] whole year then you got to think about
[03:34:06] the operation costs and you know who's
[03:34:09] going to run what and when and working
[03:34:12] with the schools and and you know that's
[03:34:14] that's a big big part of what I'd like
[03:34:17] to have a a blueprint of it doesn't have
[03:34:20] to be I was going to say when do you
[03:34:22] need it cuz I sent that to Casey
[03:34:23] probably a couple years ago yeah we I've
[03:34:26] done already done the operating expense
[03:34:28] for this okay thing a while back so I've
[03:34:30] got it somewhere buried on my computer I
[03:34:33] find it but I can I can send it out to
[03:34:35] you anytime you want but at a 30,000 ft
[03:34:37] level they've already done that because
[03:34:38] they said it's a
[03:34:39] $300,000
[03:34:41] net uh after all expenses so I take it
[03:34:45] that includes and and that's fine you
[03:34:47] can put it in in writing for a sure or
[03:34:49] you come up with that $300,000 number
[03:34:52] cuz it won't hurt but I look at it going
[03:34:54] y'all have already done these numbers
[03:34:55] and at the end you're saying it's
[03:34:58] 300,000 net if you're projected uh
[03:35:01] participation meets the numbers that
[03:35:04] that you think you meet and we're very
[03:35:06] and and as Brian said we're very
[03:35:08] conservative on that and nobody has a
[03:35:10] crystal ball to know whether that's
[03:35:11] going to happen or not but but what
[03:35:13] they're saying is now I don't know about
[03:35:14] the school part you talking about but
[03:35:16] again what they're saying is 300,000 net
[03:35:19] is what we're going to take and and I
[03:35:21] don't care if it breaks even okay now I
[03:35:23] don't want that spent necessarily I'm
[03:35:25] not saying that on um I don't want to
[03:35:28] spend on payroll and Personnel but you
[03:35:31] know the County's not in business to
[03:35:33] make money as long as it breaks even
[03:35:36] either that's all I care about we're
[03:35:37] giving the citizens something you know
[03:35:39] we shouldn't be making money off of our
[03:35:41] citizens is what I'm saying lot what he
[03:35:43] would do is go back and offset some of
[03:35:45] the parks and budget from the other
[03:35:47] facilities well that's true but with
[03:35:49] that being said the taxpayers already
[03:35:51] pay a certain amount of money for for
[03:35:53] Parks and Recreation period you know
[03:35:55] that should their tax dollars are to pay
[03:35:57] lower that amount right instead of
[03:36:00] having to come to the citizens like we
[03:36:02] do every year our budget's about $1.6
[03:36:04] million instead of having to hit $1.6
[03:36:06] million this extra Revenue would go
[03:36:08] towards our budget make us only have to
[03:36:10] come as two or three less dependent on
[03:36:12] County funds or taxpayers dollars so see
[03:36:15] that side but does that answer your
[03:36:17] question good enough or do you want
[03:36:19] something more defined uh I mean from
[03:36:22] what I'm hearing now the first phase is
[03:36:24] 29 million and out of that 29
[03:36:28] million uh 300,000 bucks net coming back
[03:36:33] now
[03:36:35] um you mentioned something about the
[03:36:37] schools what is it you want to know
[03:36:39] about the schools CU I was have to you
[03:36:42] know well I talked to Chris Johnston
[03:36:44] they're very excited about it
[03:36:46] sure it would help re uh alleviate some
[03:36:49] issues they having with swim teams oh
[03:36:50] yeah oh yeah it would help them with
[03:36:52] some of their midle school stuff right
[03:36:56] and it would allow them to hold their
[03:36:57] tournaments here instead of having to go
[03:36:59] other places to hold their tournaments
[03:37:01] we'd be able to hold it here in the
[03:37:02] county all at one location instead of
[03:37:04] having to spread it all out everywhere
[03:37:06] talking more like Logistics like signing
[03:37:08] up and the biggest thing is he said it
[03:37:10] would give them the opportunity to look
[03:37:11] at maybe offering different programs
[03:37:14] that they don't offer now
[03:37:16] because they don't have the availability
[03:37:18] don't have availability no I was just
[03:37:20] thinking in terms what if let's let's
[03:37:22] say we have a grand day and everything
[03:37:25] is everything's booked all day all and
[03:37:29] you know and let's say it's uh even even
[03:37:34] some the schools are involved at that
[03:37:35] same day uh the amount of man I I just
[03:37:40] kind of like to have a good feel about
[03:37:42] the Manpower that it's going to take to
[03:37:45] operate something that's an all day
[03:37:48] event or something that encompasses this
[03:37:51] big and this amount of people well the
[03:37:54] sports complex isn't going to take that
[03:37:56] much that's that's why there's
[03:37:58] more in that you're looking at a couple
[03:38:00] people and they're going to be getting
[03:38:02] it ready before that day you going to
[03:38:04] have one person on site that day pretty
[03:38:06] much going around and steadily cleaning
[03:38:08] up trash keeping restrooms clean make
[03:38:10] sure they're lined off they need to be
[03:38:12] reined off that type stuff he let's take
[03:38:15] it one at the time let's take soccer
[03:38:16] fields we got eight soccer fields how
[03:38:18] many people during a big tournament is
[03:38:21] it going to take Personnel from us to
[03:38:24] oversee that those eight multiac what
[03:38:28] it's only going to take one person to
[03:38:29] oversee soccer field itself say but
[03:38:32] you're going to have concession stands
[03:38:33] running so there's you a couple
[03:38:35] part-time people that's going to be
[03:38:36] running in concession stands but again
[03:38:38] concession stands going to bring Revenue
[03:38:39] back to all set may may be more than one
[03:38:42] concession stand there right again I
[03:38:44] think that's what Karen's asking is it
[03:38:46] is it three concession stands with three
[03:38:48] people a pie it depends on if
[03:38:51] everything's running you're looking at
[03:38:53] six part-time people running concession
[03:38:55] stand there this is not counting phase
[03:38:57] two this is just phase this is the
[03:38:59] athletic complex you're looking at six
[03:39:02] part-time people running to concession
[03:39:03] STS you're looking at two people being
[03:39:06] on the grounds part-time labor so you're
[03:39:08] not talking about fulltime people you're
[03:39:09] talking about part-time labor of about 8
[03:39:12] to 10 people during the weekend during
[03:39:15] the day during the week you'll have your
[03:39:16] full-time people that will be
[03:39:18] maintaining fields that will take care
[03:39:20] of that that'll be a couple different
[03:39:21] people then you have one person
[03:39:23] overseeing the whole project that's
[03:39:25] booking these events and trying to
[03:39:27] Market it out and get more and more
[03:39:29] people in so you'll eventually have in
[03:39:32] my eye all together everything's built
[03:39:36] you're looking at four full-time people
[03:39:38] there and then then you're looking at
[03:39:41] see that then you're looking at then
[03:39:43] you're looking at about probably about
[03:39:45] 20 or 30 part-time people but when
[03:39:48] everything's built you're looking at a
[03:39:50] total revenue he showed you the net side
[03:39:53] a total revenue of about $2.5 to3
[03:39:56] million coming into that one facility
[03:39:58] year that's paying for all these people
[03:40:01] to be there plus still giving you that
[03:40:03] net revenue
[03:40:04] back because it is going to take some
[03:40:07] people to run that stuff all this stuff
[03:40:09] but that's also the reason all the
[03:40:11] money's coming in to pay for all the
[03:40:13] stuff and we wouldn't be doing our
[03:40:14] homework if you didn't put that in right
[03:40:16] maybe you already did with case and we
[03:40:17] need to look at it those people what
[03:40:20] your projected budget is for all those
[03:40:22] people I got a different mindset on the
[03:40:25] concession stands contract that out with
[03:40:27] somebody let them pay us to run them you
[03:40:30] know so we take that we take that liity
[03:40:33] in Guilford County we did that uh the
[03:40:35] first year we come in House at Guilford
[03:40:37] County what you pointed me for because
[03:40:39] you were the ones that made us come in
[03:40:41] house um but when we come in house the
[03:40:43] first year Gilford county brought in
[03:40:45] house they made us contract everything
[03:40:47] out we did that yes we made some money
[03:40:50] but we made three times the amount of
[03:40:52] money when we put part-time people in
[03:40:54] ourselves and bought the stuff
[03:40:58] from gold something another yeah I get
[03:41:02] it but there's no risk there I mean you
[03:41:04] you know what your cost are any we'll
[03:41:06] look at that later but that's a way you
[03:41:07] can you you can uh mitigate that one to
[03:41:10] somebody else and let them take care of
[03:41:13] it but anyhow and we're not talking to
[03:41:15] 2.3 million was that income off the
[03:41:18] concessions or that was just off the
[03:41:20] tournament uh that that's the total
[03:41:22] thing that was concessions and conc a
[03:41:25] lot of them publish a uh almost a amount
[03:41:28] of money per person that comes through
[03:41:31] the gate is an average of whe buying a
[03:41:33] cheeseburger or buying a drink they kind
[03:41:36] of aggregate that to say maybe it's $3
[03:41:38] every head or $5 every head that comes
[03:41:40] in the door so that's some some of that
[03:41:42] number was used in making that so you're
[03:41:45] counting the concession stands as the
[03:41:47] profits on now also also as well I don't
[03:41:49] know where youall want to go with that
[03:41:51] or or whatever but you know
[03:41:53] again oh and and are we thinking about
[03:41:57] using the money that we make
[03:42:00] to put any of that money back in back
[03:42:05] into the county or like making payments
[03:42:08] back to ourself if we have a well the
[03:42:11] money's going to definitely go back in
[03:42:13] the general fund account yeah m
[03:42:16] so any any profits you know yeah uh now
[03:42:19] again I don't think those profits y'all
[03:42:21] didn't have any debt load in there for
[03:42:23] this right mean I don't want any of us
[03:42:26] to fool oursel it's you know 300,000 if
[03:42:29] you had to had debt load on top of it
[03:42:31] then you wouldn't be making anything but
[03:42:33] again that goes back to to me personally
[03:42:36] if it breaks even and the economic
[03:42:39] impact comes into the county and most
[03:42:41] people don't believe they hear me say
[03:42:42] that cuz I'm usually all about making
[03:42:45] profitable you know but again not
[03:42:47] everything you can do uh as Government
[03:42:51] you know should be profitable so like I
[03:42:54] say break down those people the cost I
[03:42:56] don't know if you got that for Casey
[03:42:58] again we can look at it and see what
[03:43:00] kind of money you're looking at bringing
[03:43:01] in from the the the restant side you
[03:43:04] need to break that part out because we
[03:43:05] need to know if we're not Meeting those
[03:43:06] goals I know of what you predicted I
[03:43:09] know and what about the you know I just
[03:43:12] think about you know because there's a
[03:43:14] lot it's so big you know it's kind of
[03:43:17] hard to put your head around it but the
[03:43:21] these entrances and and these are are we
[03:43:24] going to have to is this the does this
[03:43:27] include the the roadway changes that
[03:43:31] might have to be made yes we did include
[03:43:34] some budget estimates for right away for
[03:43:37] turning Lanes we figur that would be the
[03:43:39] worst dot would ask now yeah all that
[03:43:42] budget for the 29 million as far as the
[03:43:44] parts that building includes 100% curb
[03:43:47] asphalt sidewalks fencing everything's
[03:43:50] in there I'm just asking yeah no that's
[03:43:52] a fair question and I did want to
[03:43:54] mention I did fail to mention and I'm
[03:43:56] sorry about that 10 there might be could
[03:43:59] be a phase three I don't want to
[03:44:01] complicate things but up here there is a
[03:44:04] great consideration for this being an RV
[03:44:07] Park area a point there's so many of
[03:44:10] these travel teams that come in with RVs
[03:44:13] with tons of RVs they all run into this
[03:44:15] and if you offered 50 or 60 spaces
[03:44:18] because you've already got sewer there
[03:44:19] you've already got everything there you
[03:44:21] could actually
[03:44:23] generate a decent and it would even make
[03:44:25] it more attractive because a lot of
[03:44:26] these some of these travel ball folks
[03:44:29] really travel it really goes some
[03:44:31] distance but anyway that's another you
[03:44:33] have plenty of land to accomplish that
[03:44:35] our Our Land goes It goes all the way
[03:44:38] down to the I mean this is way over here
[03:44:40] this land your land goes way down here
[03:44:42] and again we didn't touch we didn't
[03:44:44] touch the this North or west side near
[03:44:47] as much cuz we wanted to leave this 80
[03:44:49] to 100 ft between the neighbors and
[03:44:51] yourself so sound you can't help think
[03:44:54] about how they're going to react to
[03:44:57] being that close to such a big we're
[03:44:59] touching about 105 of the acres is what
[03:45:02] we're touching right now how about that
[03:45:05] pond now I thought the Low Land was on
[03:45:07] further down are we going to have this
[03:45:08] Pond it is that was that was potential
[03:45:11] for irrigation now we do was for great
[03:45:15] settlement Pond Y and uh using it later
[03:45:18] on and Cory can correct me but the
[03:45:20] further we go down the page the more
[03:45:23] water shed we're getting into the more
[03:45:25] some challenges the the sem was put on
[03:45:28] that's a storm water control measure um
[03:45:30] I actually spoke with the water shf
[03:45:33] administrator this week um there there
[03:45:35] won't be any post construction this is
[03:45:39] way too much engineering talk uh there
[03:45:41] will not be a post construction storm
[03:45:43] water requirements but there will be in
[03:45:45] a r control Bas that gets built um so
[03:45:48] that that line item will come down and C
[03:45:50] cuz we did do that's really close to the
[03:45:52] ball fields and I know you got really
[03:45:54] young kids running around there and it
[03:45:55] had to be fenced and if there's any
[03:45:58] possible way I'd rather any any type
[03:46:01] water be a lot further away
[03:46:04] standing
[03:46:08] okay dry mix okay and
[03:46:11] just and just to know we did do a full
[03:46:15] preliminary grading plan I know for a
[03:46:17] lot of that's Todd will appreciate that
[03:46:21] but so we did the site is mass graded
[03:46:23] and balanced and that's why we picked
[03:46:25] the places we did for the different
[03:46:27] features is to best use the land and its
[03:46:29] layout to so that has all been part of
[03:46:32] this concept plan is these weren't just
[03:46:34] random rectangles we put on the sheet it
[03:46:36] was all kind of planned out and fall
[03:46:38] through and you know to me the
[03:46:40] campground needs to be pretty pretty it
[03:46:43] needs to be up front of we going to do
[03:46:45] one pretty close to being in the first
[03:46:47] phase because to me don't cost a lot to
[03:46:49] build a campground no you know you got
[03:46:51] to put a Gravel Road in with all the
[03:46:52] sewer and everything else you're doing
[03:46:54] you're right it's it's a pretty I've
[03:46:56] I've done one RV park for a private
[03:46:58] group and it surprisingly other than a
[03:47:01] bath house it's pretty inexpensive and
[03:47:04] the reason I say that the place in
[03:47:05] Salsbury what's the name of it I keep
[03:47:07] forgetting to name uh their park it Dan
[03:47:10] Nicholas their campgr is packed every
[03:47:12] weekend you know um
[03:47:15] so and it would be very it would
[03:47:17] actually be shocked how small of a
[03:47:18] footprint I could get 60 80 spaces and I
[03:47:22] think you get folks going in there that
[03:47:24] just want to go down to the lake for the
[03:47:25] week right just to Camp you know so
[03:47:26] that'd be a little bit oh yeah if you
[03:47:28] had the water park and the lake and but
[03:47:29] I'm saying that you know you could
[03:47:31] gravel and that's something I sitting
[03:47:32] here thinking too and I don't know what
[03:47:34] the rest of these board members do I do
[03:47:36] asphalt work okay that's the way I've
[03:47:38] made my living and grading but if it's
[03:47:40] not mandatory that we put asphalt down I
[03:47:43] mean I don't really like like it with
[03:47:45] all this Pavement in there you know
[03:47:47] because it's hot it's you know I'm not
[03:47:49] so sure if we couldn't get by with
[03:47:51] gutter and just Stone you know and the
[03:47:53] majority of the parks that we go to are
[03:47:55] gravel right it's it's more
[03:47:57] environmentally U you know everybody
[03:47:59] worries about water shed and pervious
[03:48:02] Pavements are nonous and it's a way for
[03:48:05] us to save a ton of money there a little
[03:48:08] more upkeep on our people we got to drag
[03:48:10] it every now and then but but again I
[03:48:12] don't know uh Chris what's your thoughts
[03:48:14] on that I mean just just acres and Acres
[03:48:16] of asphalt to me it certainly will help
[03:48:19] with you pollution running into the lake
[03:48:22] with the
[03:48:23] L's no question about
[03:48:25] that the water be able to Dr that the
[03:48:30] now's a main road going in need to be
[03:48:31] asphalted sure you know but yeah some of
[03:48:35] the yeah okay but I'm just saying that
[03:48:38] would save me that sa s certainly you
[03:48:40] might pick or you could even pick like
[03:48:42] your one lot next to the park that's
[03:48:45] paved but your your remote Lots could be
[03:48:48] gravel and that might we talk about like
[03:48:52] as you you know parking lots at on a
[03:48:56] project like this are kind of like
[03:48:57] sidewalks on a college campus like you
[03:48:59] don't build them at first you see where
[03:49:01] the people start walking
[03:49:03] put it's
[03:49:05] kind people parking over here maybe you
[03:49:08] put some St down to
[03:49:11] help and we could always go back and
[03:49:13] pave it later but if we establish it and
[03:49:16] just gravel it and we see that hey it's
[03:49:18] kind of a big pain or there's extra
[03:49:20] Revenue over the next few years it could
[03:49:21] be paved out pretty easily you know
[03:49:23] Thomas you can buy your little cheap
[03:49:25] motor grader and hit it a couple times a
[03:49:26] year you know like said the main roads
[03:49:28] going in or like say I agree around the
[03:49:30] water park that needs to be asphalted
[03:49:32] you know but everything else on these
[03:49:33] fields to me I'd rather have it gravel
[03:49:36] and not hot asphalt beaten down right
[03:49:38] there um close to the ball fields you
[03:49:40] know so again it ain't going to save us
[03:49:42] tons of money but it saves some your
[03:49:44] asphalt or something and you go a lot of
[03:49:48] these could be gravel like that could be
[03:49:49] your gravel remote or something I'd go
[03:49:51] ahead and curb and gutter and everything
[03:49:53] and then put Crusher run on top of it
[03:49:55] and yeah you know it's nice hard packed
[03:49:58] if it's done right it's nice definely
[03:50:00] saves you some money right it saves you
[03:50:02] a lot of money you know that's 3,000
[03:50:04] parking areas that's big and it takes
[03:50:07] that that fi away all right Steve I'm
[03:50:10] going to go to you and Fred here and get
[03:50:12] y'all's thoughts well I think it's like
[03:50:15] any project of this
[03:50:17] magnitude going be times you're going to
[03:50:18] have to back up you know when you start
[03:50:21] out but I think the end result is
[03:50:24] finding destinations for our families MH
[03:50:29] and when you stop and look say wow you
[03:50:32] know but every big project started out
[03:50:34] with the wow is how you complete your
[03:50:38] your uh goals that that that end up
[03:50:41] producing the destinations that for our
[03:50:44] families and
[03:50:46] Travers and
[03:50:49] uh I think it's I think it's a
[03:50:53] outstanding
[03:50:55] concept that I like we could
[03:51:00] do commissioner McLure it's a very
[03:51:04] excuse me very
[03:51:06] balanced um configuration and use about
[03:51:10] all the space you can get and not
[03:51:13] wasting any of it
[03:51:15] that certainly
[03:51:16] is
[03:51:18] [Music]
[03:51:21] smart all right with all that being said
[03:51:24] any other questions just one all right
[03:51:26] has anybody done like an
[03:51:29] overall cost analysis on doing all the
[03:51:31] phases simultaneously what the
[03:51:33] construction cost would be versus what
[03:51:35] the savings would be versus breaking it
[03:51:38] up like what we're talking
[03:51:40] about we've had antidotal yeah we we dug
[03:51:45] into that quite a bit I mean if you do
[03:51:48] it all at one time you're looking
[03:51:50] somewhere around about $75
[03:51:52] million and in phases it could go higher
[03:51:56] I mean from our from our light
[03:51:59] standpoint from the two contractors we
[03:52:01] got prices from so far I just got a new
[03:52:04] one
[03:52:05] in they're about $2 million higher if
[03:52:08] they come in and do it in a phase two if
[03:52:10] they do all the lighting at one time it
[03:52:12] saves us about $2 million
[03:52:14] because as we've talked about before uh
[03:52:17] they want to get everything in there
[03:52:19] before everybody else gets all their
[03:52:20] utilities in and Plumbing in and roads
[03:52:23] in and gravel and all that stuff that
[03:52:25] way they can just go ahead and put
[03:52:26] direct Berry lines in and get everything
[03:52:29] done and it's cheaper on us to do it
[03:52:30] that way as far as far as also you're
[03:52:34] talking about Revenue to the county if
[03:52:36] that whole thing is available to people
[03:52:38] you're automatically going to boost your
[03:52:39] yearly Revenue well you'd be able to
[03:52:42] Market it a lot a lot better and be able
[03:52:45] to turn in a lot more Revenue quicker
[03:52:46] just thinking out loud that's something
[03:52:48] to that's a consideration because the as
[03:52:51] Brian mentioned the Aquatic Center the
[03:52:55] big pool people's going to come to
[03:52:57] sports complexes they're going to come
[03:52:59] and you got to you have to have
[03:53:03] a reason to get them to your sports
[03:53:05] complex versus somebody else's sports
[03:53:07] complex and when you put that Aquatics
[03:53:10] facility in there like what we proposing
[03:53:13] that makes this complete destination
[03:53:15] place and a place that people will want
[03:53:16] to come bring their families and stay
[03:53:18] the whole weekend so then that way they
[03:53:21] can they can
[03:53:23] definitely one spend time here if you've
[03:53:25] got that and the camping facilities
[03:53:28] you've got them locked in for the
[03:53:30] weekend their whole family spending all
[03:53:32] their money they're not going anywhere
[03:53:33] else they're right here so that's just
[03:53:35] kind of what I was thinking and and then
[03:53:37] I guess as we talked in reality if you
[03:53:39] said go on the whole thing it's really a
[03:53:42] two to three I mean three three to
[03:53:44] yeah buildout anyway it's a long
[03:53:47] buildout it's by definition just as fast
[03:53:50] as you physically could go it's going to
[03:53:51] be over a Ser of time so even if you did
[03:53:54] say All the Monies here are available
[03:53:55] today it's still going to take 3 to four
[03:53:57] years so it needs to be kind of a phased
[03:54:00] in process just knowing kind of how
[03:54:02] we're phasing it in I'm going to piggy
[03:54:04] back on that right quick if you don't
[03:54:05] mind um Mr Caster Casey how would we pay
[03:54:10] for a $75 million uh uh there's one
[03:54:13] quick and fast passway um and I don't
[03:54:17] have it with me I didn't know if we'd go
[03:54:19] this route today or not you know we've
[03:54:20] have the what we call we got our Capital
[03:54:22] plan but then I brought this big piece
[03:54:24] of paper here before I call cash for the
[03:54:26] CIP I call it this the plan it's the
[03:54:28] Strategic plan of getting these projects
[03:54:30] done and if you remember on that list
[03:54:33] one of the rows was Salsberry sewer and
[03:54:36] it was about $50 million this first
[03:54:39] phase is already built into the fiveyear
[03:54:41] plan so we have cash for that you could
[03:54:43] take the 50 plus the 30 that's already
[03:54:45] available and you hit 80 and you could
[03:54:47] do that now you're basically trading the
[03:54:48] Salsbury sewer project for this that's
[03:54:50] the way to get it done immediately now
[03:54:52] we all know there's some contingencies
[03:54:54] on that Salsbury sewer project right now
[03:54:56] too there's some political
[03:54:57] contingencies um and let's just call
[03:54:59] them logistical and I I touch on it real
[03:55:02] fast the political is Rowan County is
[03:55:04] not too not too fond of us running sewer
[03:55:06] line across the river and sawbury Rowan
[03:55:09] utilities given us sewer capacity
[03:55:11] they've expressed that concern chairman
[03:55:14] I I had had a chance to talk to their
[03:55:15] chairman and work through that there
[03:55:16] could be ways to work through it because
[03:55:18] they would like to they would like to
[03:55:19] have the dredging of the lake project
[03:55:21] done it's more on their side or the I
[03:55:23] guess maybe what's the right word Mr
[03:55:26] chairman the the uh the impact of it may
[03:55:28] be more on their side to get done
[03:55:29] there's potential there for conversation
[03:55:31] the second piece is um uh the land grab
[03:55:36] you know we had a gentleman we
[03:55:37] negotiated here not just what a month or
[03:55:39] two ago for 600 acres over there and
[03:55:41] obviously they wanted too much money per
[03:55:43] acre so that's on that side of the
[03:55:45] highway right that what we were looking
[03:55:46] at potential tracks that could develop
[03:55:48] if that were to go residential somebody
[03:55:51] bought that I'm just I'm not trying to
[03:55:52] put words in y'all's mouth but I'm
[03:55:54] assuming based on the past we're not
[03:55:55] interested probably running sewer that
[03:55:57] way because then it's going to become a
[03:55:58] housing side of the of I85 so there are
[03:56:01] some issues with that project meaning
[03:56:03] well I sell that to say I don't know
[03:56:05] that that project's moving today it
[03:56:07] doesn't if this Project's more of a
[03:56:09] priority you can make the simple trade
[03:56:12] and then have if you remember remember
[03:56:14] this is all getting into the reval and
[03:56:16] everything else tied to that the goal of
[03:56:18] the reval coming up will be to put us
[03:56:21] probably back to the tax rate that makes
[03:56:23] the same amount of money we make today
[03:56:26] well we do have funds and we talk about
[03:56:28] this at the last two or three Retreats
[03:56:29] and we'll talk about it again in March
[03:56:31] now we have excess funds going into this
[03:56:34] Capital plan that's a l that and the
[03:56:36] covid money is largely where it came
[03:56:38] from so they'll continue to be chances
[03:56:41] to save money after Tim Needs is three
[03:56:44] more years to get the fiveyear plan
[03:56:46] fully funded there'll be more
[03:56:47] opportunities does that make sense so
[03:56:50] you basically can take doing Roi in your
[03:56:52] mind if the Salsbury project ain't
[03:56:55] really moving today and I want this one
[03:56:57] and you think and I all the things
[03:56:59] you've laid out are valid but we want
[03:57:01] this one to go and hold so it's cheaper
[03:57:03] and you make more money faster and it's
[03:57:05] more of an impact then you trade that
[03:57:07] project off knowing that the future
[03:57:09] could be you still have opportunities to
[03:57:11] come back and save money and have those
[03:57:12] conversations with our neighbors and
[03:57:13] work Market through cuz both of them are
[03:57:15] Financial impacts it's just one's more
[03:57:18] seen invisible destination one's more
[03:57:20] behind the scenes in the ground that's
[03:57:22] going to create an opportunity to grow
[03:57:24] so I think they're both probably
[03:57:25] important but the one has run into some
[03:57:27] stumbling blocks okay do you have some
[03:57:31] the only other thing I was going to add
[03:57:32] and we had talked about it guess a
[03:57:34] couple days ago was there's another
[03:57:37] opportunity um for for Revenue with
[03:57:40] businesses and brands in the area who
[03:57:43] want to Market right or or put some
[03:57:45] stuff in here like you go to any other
[03:57:47] Stadium or game the Nike field or
[03:57:50] exactly and so that's another talk about
[03:57:52] new right local Stu there's there's
[03:57:55] those opportunities as well that's the
[03:57:57] only a lot of the medical community
[03:57:59] sponsors a lot of Doon Wake Forest
[03:58:02] Baptist yes so there are some that may
[03:58:05] be a good way to offset some of this
[03:58:06] operating cost because you know we don't
[03:58:09] know going into it what will you know
[03:58:11] especially when we're starting what
[03:58:13] it'll be um that's a great way to do
[03:58:15] that is basically sell an advertising
[03:58:17] space more or less Allan and Thomas went
[03:58:19] down to the sportsx in ashro a couple of
[03:58:21] weeks ago every field down there was
[03:58:23] sponsored by different businesses or
[03:58:25] agencies or entities I like that so they
[03:58:27] they've got a lot of private
[03:58:30] Partnerships in there I mean good you
[03:58:32] know the thing for I mean we got to run
[03:58:34] it as efficiently as we can and that's
[03:58:36] what we got to keep our eye on if we
[03:58:38] build it so you brought up some so 50
[03:58:40] million bucks will come from the sewer
[03:58:42] line and then we've got million right
[03:58:47] and we we got the cash for both of them
[03:58:49] and it again I don't have the sheet and
[03:58:50] I know this is probably more than y'all
[03:58:52] anticipated we talk about this a little
[03:58:53] more March and I can kind of show it to
[03:58:56] you because I know how you guys like to
[03:58:57] see it on paper we can move we got $85
[03:59:00] million in cash and Tim's probably in
[03:59:03] less than another three months is going
[03:59:04] to put up another 20 into that so you're
[03:59:06] going to be a 100 plus it's the it's the
[03:59:09] the list of projects that need to get
[03:59:11] done it's how you scatter them around
[03:59:13] that and he's going to do it again in
[03:59:15] the end of 26 and the end of 27 and I
[03:59:18] don't see any reason unless the economy
[03:59:20] just falls off this Cliff why he can't
[03:59:22] continue his right now all the plans
[03:59:24] calling for is 18 for the next two years
[03:59:27] that's less than we've been putting in
[03:59:28] there and so if he can do two more
[03:59:30] fiscal years outside of this one he's
[03:59:32] about to do this spring he's got his
[03:59:34] 5year plan funded so we can move
[03:59:37] projects around like say for example you
[03:59:39] pick this one said look what we want to
[03:59:41] do is we want to go on ahead and put up
[03:59:43] the put up up to 80 something out of
[03:59:45] that we can stagger some of the other
[03:59:47] projects around some of them I got to
[03:59:50] look at cuz some of them are Comm Center
[03:59:52] updates consoles radios you guys that
[03:59:54] were here when we did the radio system
[03:59:56] remember the day we talked about we'll
[03:59:57] have to replace the radios it's coming
[03:59:59] up in this back end of this 5year plan
[04:00:01] but we can move stuff around and then
[04:00:03] time it to Tim's savings but if you
[04:00:06] remember that with that being said when
[04:00:08] we was looking at our original radio
[04:00:09] equipment if we would went with Motorola
[04:00:12] it was a $500,000 year yeah no no no
[04:00:15] saving 500 Grand a year yeah right no I
[04:00:18] know that but I mean that bill of
[04:00:20] replacing the Ros Mir it's finally
[04:00:22] getting into that phase where we're
[04:00:24] going to hit us at this time but I don't
[04:00:27] this is my gut talking because I see I I
[04:00:29] see this stuff all in the numbers all
[04:00:31] the time I don't see a problem with
[04:00:34] moving projects around if if that's if
[04:00:36] this one's the one you want to do all
[04:00:38] right so let me say this I ain't real
[04:00:41] sure that the sewer Salsbury row County
[04:00:44] things ever going to happen Okay I mean
[04:00:47] there a lot of
[04:00:48] political stuff there and I just I ain't
[04:00:51] so sure they're going to let us come
[04:00:52] over and tap into their sewer you know
[04:00:54] they want it all for their s so like I
[04:00:56] say me and the chairman over there's
[04:00:58] pretty good little buddies and maybe we
[04:01:00] can talk about it but he's got to sell
[04:01:02] it to his people and I ain't so sure he
[04:01:04] can do that you know I think to me
[04:01:06] that's got the most potential to bring
[04:01:09] people to this County and make money
[04:01:10] than than anything I've seen so far of
[04:01:14] time has I've been here the sewer thing
[04:01:15] was was going to bring industry here
[04:01:18] which pays lot of tax dollars you know
[04:01:20] that's what we were shooting for got is
[04:01:22] bring sewer line so we can put industry
[04:01:25] uh so I don't see it happening if it
[04:01:29] does happen I think it'd be worth us
[04:01:32] even you know borrowing money to do a
[04:01:35] sewer because again that's for expansion
[04:01:37] for industry and you know we just have
[04:01:39] to go borrow money and put in a $50
[04:01:42] there's ways to work through that that
[04:01:43] might be another option it's it's
[04:01:46] fortunate that we've been able to take
[04:01:48] the covid money and the savings from the
[04:01:50] last revow and couple that together to
[04:01:53] have this available to even do when I
[04:01:56] got here I think the Savings in capital
[04:01:58] reserve was like 3 or 4 million doar you
[04:02:01] know so that really limits your choices
[04:02:03] I mean we are we've intentionally on
[04:02:05] purpose taken the the savings from that
[04:02:08] and we're going to have to rent with
[04:02:09] that that Capital plan I'm talking about
[04:02:11] has got the parts to the jail to it no
[04:02:13] it's not the $95 million option anymore
[04:02:15] it's more the try to get it up there on
[04:02:17] the space pull the core in try to net
[04:02:19] out a couple hundred beds um for some
[04:02:22] I'm just right now I'm making up a
[04:02:24] number 50 to 55 somewhere in that range
[04:02:26] is what I'm praying it comes back to so
[04:02:28] there that that plan kind of counts for
[04:02:30] all that stuff you know and now that one
[04:02:33] may not be able to be traded you know
[04:02:34] what I mean cuz it's some parts of the J
[04:02:36] parts we probably need to roll on um
[04:02:39] like we probably do need if we're up a
[04:02:41] capacity I'm kind of like Mr Shell I
[04:02:43] don't know what the future holds so I
[04:02:45] don't know what the courts will do I
[04:02:46] don't know that I need 600 beds I think
[04:02:49] two might get us by I'm not trying to
[04:02:51] morph Us in that conversation I'm just
[04:02:52] saying some of them projects on that
[04:02:53] listing we had a line in there for
[04:02:55] Education projects um like the admin
[04:02:58] building well the admin buildings it's
[04:02:59] on separate row now so we've got that in
[04:03:02] there but we've got building for for
[04:03:04] Davidson County Schools me we kind of
[04:03:06] said we'll put up a I think it's 2
[04:03:07] million dollar we'll do Brian's actually
[04:03:09] the one you know working to help design
[04:03:11] that piece but there's another row
[04:03:13] called education projects where we've
[04:03:15] put in a dollar amount to say we
[04:03:17] probably need to divide that amongst I
[04:03:19] say four of them cuz I throw the college
[04:03:20] in there too and I I we're going to talk
[04:03:22] about this in March maybe we need a
[04:03:24] committee to do that and take their
[04:03:25] Capital plans and look through them
[04:03:27] because we all know if we're going to
[04:03:28] divy it out for them to fix stuff in
[04:03:30] their school systems thomasville's
[04:03:32] probably needs the first one up you know
[04:03:34] we we've done stuff in the county we're
[04:03:36] doing lexon middle school they're
[04:03:37] probably the next Suitor to stand up in
[04:03:40] the front of the gate um but that's in
[04:03:42] there as well so these are all things
[04:03:44] that we can move those Dollars around
[04:03:46] that makes sense these are not this why
[04:03:48] it's called a plan we're not in the
[04:03:50] Locking Stone the board's approved and
[04:03:52] it's over stage but I think it's
[04:03:54] feasible if if this is the one you want
[04:03:56] to do which my ears are hearing y'all
[04:03:58] like this and I I mean I've seen the
[04:04:00] video from now I four years ago when I
[04:04:03] saw it four years ago I knew I liked it
[04:04:06] so I was like you know how much this
[04:04:08] thing cost I mean that's the first thing
[04:04:09] you look at it and go wow this is pretty
[04:04:11] neat well I'm going to say this and I
[04:04:13] didn't really have this mindset to today
[04:04:17] but I'm afraid probably if we don't do
[04:04:19] it
[04:04:20] all at the
[04:04:22] beginning it'll either never get done or
[04:04:25] it'll take so long that most of us won't
[04:04:27] see it in our lifetime it'll cost twice
[04:04:31] as much and the money's there the sewer
[04:04:33] money is there so take it away people
[04:04:35] can't see what we put in the ground and
[04:04:37] that's what I always say you know they
[04:04:39] can't see the the millions we spend
[04:04:41] there I mean what they can see is what
[04:04:42] we do out here in the
[04:04:44] um now some people going to have a fit
[04:04:46] that we spending this kind of money on
[04:04:48] uh on quality of life probably
[04:04:52] so um but again if we don't go ahead and
[04:04:56] do it it won't never get done and I'm
[04:04:57] not sure you'll ever be able to measure
[04:05:00] the success because you need all the
[04:05:02] pieces of the puzzle in it to make it
[04:05:05] successful right cuz the revenue off if
[04:05:07] you don't have the water park then it's
[04:05:09] a skewed number because then you're just
[04:05:10] another Sports Complex competing against
[04:05:14] the other sports so with that being said
[04:05:16] I'm going to pull the board just a
[04:05:17] little bit and see whether you'd say
[04:05:19] let's pull the money from the sewer and
[04:05:20] go ahead and do it all at one time or
[04:05:22] y'all leaning the other way I'm leaning
[04:05:24] to do the whole thing at one time
[04:05:26] because I think the realization of the
[04:05:29] total revenue it could bring to this
[04:05:30] County you could help offset some of
[04:05:32] that and you could that's something
[04:05:33] tangible you can show people on paper to
[04:05:35] say hey this is a quality of life for
[04:05:37] our County this is something that's
[04:05:39] bringing dollars Economic Development
[04:05:42] here and if we've got the money to do it
[04:05:44] I'm thinking why not take a chance and
[04:05:46] go and do it and save that money instead
[04:05:48] of breaking it up into three phases this
[04:05:50] is going to cost you more that
[04:05:52] way my yeah I think the board knows
[04:05:55] where I I probably stand it's it's a
[04:05:56] bold Vision so let's let's move boldly
[04:05:59] and if we can do it all in one phase
[04:06:02] then let's do
[04:06:05] it I'm I'm with you on the Salsberry
[04:06:08] money uh I've been that way for months
[04:06:12] cuz I just didn't think it was going to
[04:06:13] happen I'm I'm still not sure about the
[04:06:17] whole thing at one time but I you know I
[04:06:20] think it's a great idea and we've talked
[04:06:23] about wanting to do this for our our
[04:06:27] kids and that's what it's for that's
[04:06:30] what it's
[04:06:31] for um
[04:06:34] okay two phases
[04:06:36] maybe what is what is the rough cost of
[04:06:40] phase one 30 million and the rough cost
[04:06:43] of phase two about 35 so we're talking
[04:06:46] about 35 million cuz if we're read for
[04:06:49] phase one we've already committed to
[04:06:52] that well you said 75 million well to go
[04:06:54] total so now got phase three of the RV
[04:06:56] Park RV park well let's take the RV park
[04:06:58] out yeah and and that's before true I
[04:07:01] mean I think his numbers are good but I
[04:07:02] think we can do some value you ain't
[04:07:04] going to spend that kind of money on the
[04:07:05] RV yeah but there's some value
[04:07:07] engineering opportunities in
[04:07:10] this like say 15 million for RV parks no
[04:07:14] way I think we did the private one we
[04:07:17] did for about two and a half maybe you
[04:07:19] got put concrete pads down and all that
[04:07:21] so 60 million 65 million for water park
[04:07:25] for everything we see there except
[04:07:26] Campground
[04:07:31] right number I think the answer would
[04:07:34] definitely be yes especially if we
[04:07:36] offset some of it with asphalt about 65
[04:07:39] yeah yeah especially if you cut some of
[04:07:41] asphalt that's a big line item in the bu
[04:07:43] budget is the
[04:07:44] asphalt not say you wouldn't do a
[04:07:47] percentage but you might
[04:07:48] could like you said we Define what is a
[04:07:52] remote lot versus a principal lot and
[04:07:55] make the gravel remote lots and a few
[04:07:57] principal Lots I definitely it looking
[04:07:59] at his numbers and and there's some
[04:08:01] other places that we can I feel like it
[04:08:04] can be smart about it so I think the 65s
[04:08:07] are very
[04:08:08] reasonable that answer your question so
[04:08:12] how do you feel what I I for the 35 and
[04:08:16] I'm quite Karen I have to agree with
[04:08:18] Karen I do not think that Salsbury was
[04:08:20] ever coming in play so are you good with
[04:08:23] doing all of it at one time or yeah
[04:08:25] because that's how you going to make
[04:08:26] your money you're not going to make
[04:08:27] enough money people going to lose
[04:08:29] interest in the park if you only do one
[04:08:30] phase I
[04:08:32] agree what was the income on phase one
[04:08:36] you showed that I showed them together
[04:08:39] on the water park I showed it an income
[04:08:41] of a million and on the sport Sports
[04:08:43] plex 300,000 so and that was on a pretty
[04:08:47] low Patron number I'm hoping the pat I'm
[04:08:49] hoping the visitors are a lot higher
[04:08:51] than that so I'm hoping the N the net
[04:08:55] revenue is 1.3
[04:08:58] 1.5 range for the whole thing for the
[04:09:01] whole project for the whole thing yes
[04:09:03] ma'am so if that's net you know 60 years
[04:09:06] it'll be paid for
[04:09:10] right we could do a calculation yeah but
[04:09:13] it could be better than that who knows
[04:09:14] it's Crystal Ball you know could be
[04:09:17] better well I think I I suspect and
[04:09:19] we've talked about this I mean it's
[04:09:21] common sense but that area is going to
[04:09:23] be impacted if you're bringing three or
[04:09:25] 4,000 people on a weekend 6,000 people
[04:09:29] on a weekend you're going to business
[04:09:31] demand is going to that dominoes across
[04:09:34] the street is is not going be able to
[04:09:36] hand and all that's hard to gauge and
[04:09:37] the reason I'm saying why it's kind of
[04:09:39] like these Radio Systems when we spent
[04:09:41] Millions on the radio system people
[04:09:42] riding down 85 never see that you know
[04:09:45] our Radio Systems just cost millions
[04:09:47] they don't see that you know people see
[04:09:49] this okay uh they don't see that $50
[04:09:52] million school we buil over here 60
[04:09:54] million but they will see this so can't
[04:09:58] we can't forget the sponsor money well
[04:10:00] the sponsor money that's way on above
[04:10:01] that you could you could raise another
[04:10:03] million a year probably on sponsor money
[04:10:05] I'd
[04:10:07] say whenever you Bill all this somebody
[04:10:09] doesn't say hey I'd like to put fill in
[04:10:12] the blank on the other
[04:10:14] the and if and if I own a a company uh
[04:10:18] they got a nice part down cage
[04:10:21] compan well there's the crystal ball the
[04:10:24] company that comes in here and looks at
[04:10:25] us from the EDC standpoint and goes well
[04:10:29] CU we this would be in our brochure for
[04:10:31] sure you know as weot the county and go
[04:10:33] wait a minute y'all got a park like this
[04:10:35] here okay we going to invest a billion
[04:10:38] dollars we see some now coming in that
[04:10:40] their Investments a billion dollars or
[04:10:42] more you know so again high8 huh Highway
[04:10:46] 8 I mean there's going to be stuff
[04:10:49] coming probably further down Highway 8
[04:10:51] and on Highway 8 if this thing if this
[04:10:54] looks like this and it rolls like that
[04:10:55] there'll be stuff on Highway 8
[04:10:57] eventually probably more lodging and
[04:11:00] more eating just fast food like
[04:11:03] restaurany typ things like they have
[04:11:05] more over on the sawbury side over Jake
[04:11:07] Alexander Boulevard kind of area um and
[04:11:10] the same thing happens to me a lot of
[04:11:12] times when I buy a new piece of
[04:11:13] equipment I'm wondering how I'm going to
[04:11:14] pay for this piece of equipment CU it's
[04:11:16] very expensive but then you see when
[04:11:18] everything starts happening and you use
[04:11:21] it you see where it pays for itself and
[04:11:23] I think this will too I mean I'm not
[04:11:25] trying to sell anybody on it I just
[04:11:27] think in the end we'll probably go we
[04:11:29] should have had this 30 years ago you
[04:11:32] know if we would have had this 30 years
[04:11:34] ago what kind of difference would have
[04:11:35] made so you good going with the whole
[04:11:37] thing Fred pH
[04:11:41] pH so we don't have any
[04:11:44] idea what the
[04:11:47] future is going to have we don't know
[04:11:49] whether they want to have a recession
[04:11:51] where it's going to go down if
[04:11:53] everything goes like you like you want
[04:11:56] it to yeah it's a good
[04:11:59] idea and I'm a big believer in Murphy's
[04:12:03] Law ain't very many things go like you
[04:12:07] think they going too if we have a
[04:12:09] recession and I don't have any work I'm
[04:12:11] going to be over there at the pool with
[04:12:13] Tomas
[04:12:15] promise going to be laying out by the by
[04:12:17] the swimming pool the Todd gate River
[04:12:23] yeah or maybe down at the campground uh
[04:12:26] camping out and I'll buy me a camper to
[04:12:28] live in and live we've had
[04:12:31] a I think one maybe two counties that
[04:12:36] have had the state come in because their
[04:12:39] financial situation wasn't in good shape
[04:12:42] you know I'll go with slow I
[04:12:44] just that's the conservative yeah I get
[04:12:47] it I mean I'm very conservative too you
[04:12:49] know a little bit I'm very conservative
[04:12:53] and I know we're going to take some heat
[04:12:54] off of approving a $75 million Sports
[04:12:58] Complex but on the other hand of that 50
[04:13:01] million was going for sewer that we
[04:13:03] probably don't need it course somebody
[04:13:04] else can say well and here's where some
[04:13:06] of the Heat's going to come from why
[04:13:07] come you not doing some work at the
[04:13:09] schools or why come you not doing it but
[04:13:12] you know here again the school system
[04:13:13] just wanted 25 or 30 million for a new
[04:13:16] admin building so they think it's okay
[04:13:18] to go over here and build an admin
[04:13:20] building but they don't want us to put
[04:13:22] 30 million in something that would help
[04:13:24] thousands of people and kids and
[04:13:26] families so you got to weigh that out
[04:13:29] you know I mean they don't understand
[04:13:32] the other side of that coin that we're
[04:13:34] tasked with so what is the right answer
[04:13:36] I can't tell you to
[04:13:38] me we we put a million and a half in
[04:13:41] their admin building and make it usable
[04:13:43] it's
[04:13:44] dry um it'll have heat and air in it I
[04:13:47] mean it it it works um we would invest
[04:13:51] this money here to bring more people in
[04:13:55] and a better quality of life you know
[04:13:58] again nobody will see their new $30
[04:13:59] million admin building when they riding
[04:14:01] around they won't they won't think
[04:14:03] anything of that you well this benefits
[04:14:05] the schools as well right and all the
[04:14:07] students who attend Schools go back to
[04:14:10] that plan it's not like you're not
[04:14:12] declaring that you're going take some of
[04:14:13] that cash and put it toward that that's
[04:14:15] what it is right now declaration now we
[04:14:17] have to move some stuff around to figure
[04:14:18] out if this goes a little bit forward
[04:14:20] faster how we do that but if Tim can
[04:14:23] still keep his Pace remember that key
[04:14:25] point you've got that row on that sheet
[04:14:28] saying we're going to do 30 million
[04:14:30] divide mons for you so it's not like you
[04:14:31] took the ENT as Bandits take the whole
[04:14:34] money and just use it for this does that
[04:14:36] make sense you've got priorities in that
[04:14:39] list they're they're there we just have
[04:14:41] to make decisions that we see best that
[04:14:44] and this is a decision that we see best
[04:14:46] right you know and once it's up and
[04:14:48] running maybe they'll see it too or
[04:14:49] maybe they never will you're right it
[04:14:51] does have a side benefit for them I mean
[04:14:53] it's got it's not it's not a school but
[04:14:55] it's indirect right and not only them I
[04:14:57] mean I remember when we discussed this
[04:14:59] before you had some people that was
[04:15:01] adamantly against you know the sports
[04:15:05] complex concept at all you know but
[04:15:08] again they I don't know that they've
[04:15:09] ever been out there if they had
[04:15:10] grandkids and been out there and watched
[04:15:12] them play and have fun they might have a
[04:15:14] little bit different looks or Viewpoint
[04:15:17] can you think about how much we've we've
[04:15:19] grown in terms of the residental sprawl
[04:15:22] that's overtaken the community and like
[04:15:24] I grew up and we had seven acres right
[04:15:26] we had woods and and yards to plan
[04:15:28] that's that's more of an anomaly these
[04:15:31] days even in this County where you have
[04:15:33] smaller yards and so this again provides
[04:15:36] that sort of opportunity of you know
[04:15:39] going out and exploring the water park
[04:15:41] going to the fields I mean it's
[04:15:43] expansive it it provides those outdoor
[04:15:45] opportunities that are I think extremely
[04:15:47] important we don't want kids to be in
[04:15:49] front of screens all
[04:15:51] day when we did the bond referend before
[04:15:54] the the sports complex did not fair well
[04:15:59] what was the percentage of the people do
[04:16:01] you remember I do not sir uh we never
[04:16:03] put it on no we never put it on but we
[04:16:05] had that com we had the lady um do the
[04:16:08] market kind of from the survey thing
[04:16:10] that was a survey that she did
[04:16:13] um I'd have to dig that out I don't
[04:16:15] remember commissioner coer it's been so
[04:16:17] long ago and that's what kind of
[04:16:19] happened there just so you guys know
[04:16:20] that wasn't on the board at that time we
[04:16:22] were going to do a bond in the school
[04:16:24] bond and a and a recreation Bond or for
[04:16:27] the sports complex and the school system
[04:16:30] got to fighting so hard not they wanted
[04:16:33] all the money you know so they didn't
[04:16:34] want a bond for the sports complex they
[04:16:37] felt like it wasn't needed so you see I
[04:16:38] mean they start start grabbing for those
[04:16:41] dollars that so we just we just dumped
[04:16:43] it all you know and said you know we're
[04:16:45] not going to have a bond referendum on
[04:16:47] any of it you know um and that's
[04:16:50] something I guess we can look at later
[04:16:52] if we want to do some sort of but as
[04:16:54] long as we can pay for it out of our
[04:16:55] with our own means I think that's the
[04:16:57] best way to do it no bonds
[04:17:01] and uh but like I said you will start
[04:17:03] getting push back from there I know you
[04:17:05] will
[04:17:06] and um so what do we need to do Casey if
[04:17:11] uh we want to move forward with this and
[04:17:13] I think two things one we got to get
[04:17:15] some I guess this is a single bid
[04:17:17] document or is this multiphase how would
[04:17:19] that
[04:17:20] work I think be good to sit down and
[04:17:23] talk through that a little bit I need to
[04:17:25] work through with Thomas the spacing of
[04:17:27] when he needs the money um and maybe
[04:17:30] that's a one way to handle this so I
[04:17:32] don't want to get premature and say I
[04:17:34] know the answer today we need to we need
[04:17:36] to take the 65 or 70 or whatever and
[04:17:38] figure out how it spaces with what we
[04:17:40] got that we're going to end up at a
[04:17:42] place where we got bid documents I
[04:17:43] assume mhm but I would say if you got
[04:17:49] approval sometime in the next couple
[04:17:51] months on moving forward it'd be three
[04:17:54] years and spending the money from start
[04:17:57] that's what I'm saying I don't I don't
[04:17:59] three to four yeah maybe four I might it
[04:18:01] time closer to four may not need to hold
[04:18:04] 75 or 70 by the spring they'll get that
[04:18:07] site graded in 6 months 6 to8 months
[04:18:10] okay uh so basically we do the whole
[04:18:13] thing and
[04:18:14] commit y'all ink it it locks Us in at
[04:18:17] this price no matter if it takes three
[04:18:19] or four years correct so that's a
[04:18:21] guaranteed price if you do a one bid
[04:18:23] contract
[04:18:25] okay uh I mean I don't know that you do
[04:18:28] a one bid contract you really probably
[04:18:30] wouldn't do that you do some of the
[04:18:32] things like you were were talking about
[04:18:34] like the lighting if you know you going
[04:18:35] to do all the lighting you do all that
[04:18:37] at one time but you'd still bid it out
[04:18:39] like You' bid out the grade and do that
[04:18:42] then you the Sports plex build out the
[04:18:44] Sports plex like we talked about
[04:18:46] actually in a couple different bids one
[04:18:48] doing just the whole of the building
[04:18:49] itself cuz that'd be one different
[04:18:51] contractor and to save us money then we
[04:18:53] do the inside with up upfit with
[04:18:57] different contractors putting that out
[04:18:58] for bid to come in and fix it so it'd be
[04:19:00] several different bids going on with
[04:19:03] this in multiple different ways but it'd
[04:19:05] be as INF phases as of what needs to
[04:19:08] come first like you were talking about
[04:19:10] if if if you're looking at the aquatic
[04:19:12] Center as we talked about what two or
[04:19:14] three weeks ago if you're looking at the
[04:19:16] Aquatic Center doing it too you'd
[04:19:18] include that grading into your grading
[04:19:20] plan and that should cut down on the
[04:19:22] cost of some of the Aquatic Center
[04:19:24] because their their uh their fee that
[04:19:27] they gave us to start with including
[04:19:29] doing all the grading theirself too so
[04:19:32] if you're taking all that off and doing
[04:19:33] all that mass grading at one time it
[04:19:35] makes sense to kind of rough it all in
[04:19:37] at one time and doing and doing a full
[04:19:40] uh utility plan for the entire site
[04:19:42] you're putting in all your utilities at
[04:19:44] the up front and all that stuff makes a
[04:19:46] lot of sense kind of get all the
[04:19:47] underground done first before you start
[04:19:49] coming that needs to be in the major
[04:19:50] grading plan yep y mhm yeah and all your
[04:19:54] conduit for your power for your lights
[04:19:56] needs to be installed yep all your
[04:20:00] horizontal work but there is there is
[04:20:03] some things though that we I'd like to
[04:20:05] talk to with the board as far as that
[04:20:07] goes too and how do you want to do the
[04:20:09] lighting like for the lighting for the
[04:20:11] parking lots and stuff because these
[04:20:12] people going to be out there till
[04:20:13] probably about 11:00 at night so they
[04:20:16] have come a long way with solar type
[04:20:17] lighting now that you can put on sensors
[04:20:20] that just come on and cut off when they
[04:20:22] done or you can buy your own lights put
[04:20:24] your own lights in or you can contract
[04:20:27] with Duke power and let the light stay
[04:20:28] on all the time so I mean there's some
[04:20:31] things there that we need to kind of
[04:20:34] when we get down into the weeds of how
[04:20:36] we need to kind of we want the whole
[04:20:38] complex to look when it's
[04:20:40] done yeah like say what we would do
[04:20:43] there is put a couple Commissioners on
[04:20:44] that
[04:20:45] committee and they would work through
[04:20:47] the fine details and bring it back to
[04:20:50] the board kind of like we do the
[04:20:52] facilities committee well would it be
[04:20:54] better just let the facilities committee
[04:20:55] kind of manage that piece of that's what
[04:20:57] I was going to say I could bring it to
[04:20:58] the facilities committee and help let
[04:21:00] yall what you basically want is a cash
[04:21:02] flow of all these grading I mean all
[04:21:03] these contracts if he can get build me a
[04:21:06] year one I think I'm going to need we're
[04:21:07] going to do 10 contracts for grading for
[04:21:09] lighting for you whatever your two is
[04:21:12] going to be you know what I mean that's
[04:21:13] what we need so we'll know all right
[04:21:15] year one's going to cost 22 of the 29
[04:21:18] then we're going to do the next 31 or
[04:21:20] whatever the mount is I'm good with that
[04:21:22] as long as Dwayne will lighting up on
[04:21:25] some of the load he's already got on
[04:21:26] there most of the time cuz you know it's
[04:21:29] a pretty long meeting sometimes yeah
[04:21:32] we'll try to Target that one for special
[04:21:34] meetings or whatever but step one you
[04:21:36] just need to flow it out what you think
[04:21:38] the contracts are going to look like how
[04:21:39] many years cash yeah the model of cash
[04:21:41] what it's going to take do it yeah how
[04:21:44] we going to put this to the
[04:21:47] public and
[04:21:50] wi
[04:21:52] just man I think as you like we do any
[04:21:55] other big project at some point in time
[04:21:57] once we do it there'll be ribbon
[04:21:58] cuttings and media will come calling um
[04:22:02] this will gar talking about
[04:22:05] starting talking about I mean front
[04:22:09] whenever we start doing
[04:22:11] this when we let the public know what
[04:22:14] we're doing and how much it cost well
[04:22:18] we're doing it today in a public meeting
[04:22:19] so if they I'm talking about the
[04:22:22] public I said
[04:22:24] that what public we let the public know
[04:22:28] that we're building a sports PL for $70
[04:22:31] million I guess when we take a vote on
[04:22:33] it to to approve it in a public meeting
[04:22:38] well there'll be multiple approvals you
[04:22:40] know with one sets of contract coming to
[04:22:43] the board for this package of this stuff
[04:22:45] for the complex we can always remind
[04:22:48] every time we do that here's what we
[04:22:50] think this thing's going to cost here's
[04:22:52] the goal here's the
[04:22:55] intention of what to get
[04:22:57] to I think it'd be a good idea to for
[04:23:00] like what commissioner McClure is saying
[04:23:02] for public dissemination and perception
[04:23:05] of the value that it's going to add to
[04:23:08] your family to your community it's going
[04:23:10] to have things here that that here
[04:23:12] before we don't have it's going to bring
[04:23:14] Economic Opportunity of people that want
[04:23:16] to do these sponsorships somebody might
[04:23:17] want to build a hotel it's going to
[04:23:19] provide jobs that way you're not going
[04:23:21] to have to scour counties over to find a
[04:23:23] job for your family that's going to
[04:23:25] bring that in here you have to just
[04:23:26] Market it in a way that they're going to
[04:23:29] realize the entire it's not like we're
[04:23:30] just looking to blow $70 million on
[04:23:33] Recreation this this is to bring
[04:23:35] Economic Development quality of life to
[04:23:37] the community that we don't have at this
[04:23:40] point it's going to bring people from
[04:23:41] other areas that don't have anything
[04:23:44] like this I think all that it's all how
[04:23:46] you articulate yeah the media will
[04:23:48] run that rabbit when we get to that
[04:23:50] place and I think to answer Fred's
[04:23:52] question after I thought about this for
[04:23:53] a minute and listen to y'all talk and
[04:23:54] again it's 65 million we need to right
[04:23:57] now I think it's 65 that sounds better
[04:23:59] than 70 to me right Ken sound sounds
[04:24:02] better to me are we aproving 70 no no no
[04:24:05] 65 you said the wrong word
[04:24:07] 65 um what we need to do before and and
[04:24:11] we'll bring this out on the two on on a
[04:24:12] Monday night meeting when they come back
[04:24:15] with your answers you just ask right the
[04:24:18] prolonged this is this is is because
[04:24:21] right now we don't have enough
[04:24:22] information to bring it to a Tuesday
[04:24:24] night meeting and we'll bring it out
[04:24:27] then and discuss it we don't have to
[04:24:28] vote on it that night we can Monday
[04:24:30] night does that answer your question
[04:24:33] bring it out on a Monday night when
[04:24:34] these guys have I think that's I think
[04:24:36] that's better in a public meeting right
[04:24:38] I
[04:24:39] too um so but we we need some of these
[04:24:44] questions answered so we don't have
[04:24:45] that's why we discussing it now so that
[04:24:48] Monday night we we not sitting here
[04:24:50] talking about $65 million and nobody
[04:24:53] want objections answered beforehand
[04:24:56] right what's the timeline what are we
[04:24:58] going to do first how the contracts are
[04:25:00] going to work
[04:25:03] um is
[04:25:05] that is that
[04:25:08] doable I mean there's a fair amount of
[04:25:10] work there and I don't know if you guys
[04:25:11] signed up for this orig that's what to
[04:25:13] say I just telling them we're I'm
[04:25:16] probably going to have to go back and
[04:25:17] get with Dwayne and try to amend their
[04:25:19] contract a little bit to help me get
[04:25:22] this finished out to bring to the board
[04:25:25] and uh then bring it back to you you
[04:25:28] just give him a
[04:25:30] sponsorship I'm all for that you sponsor
[04:25:34] playground Casey Casey may be be able to
[04:25:37] figure it out I mean what we're wanting
[04:25:39] is not
[04:25:40] terrible that difficult just going to
[04:25:42] take a little bit of time but not a lot
[04:25:44] of time you understand Casey I mean what
[04:25:46] we what we really want to know is we got
[04:25:48] $65 million what's going to cost what I
[04:25:51] can get with Cory I don't think we would
[04:25:53] it would be an absorbent fee from us at
[04:25:54] this point to take the budget numbers
[04:25:56] we've already been working through in
[04:25:58] try to develop a cash flow and a
[04:25:59] timeline timeline that's right you just
[04:26:01] need a time I can hand it the knows
[04:26:04] somewhat itemized like oh yeah break it
[04:26:07] down into the major components right
[04:26:08] grading utilities lighting uh Sports the
[04:26:11] the
[04:26:14] all those things we already have that so
[04:26:16] then it would just be a matter of
[04:26:17] plugging in the timeline and then what
[04:26:18] is do the cash flow model well just make
[04:26:21] it simple for me just put it rows and
[04:26:23] total dollar amounts for how many years
[04:26:25] it's going to take to do it it all at
[04:26:27] the end of the thing it all all to add
[04:26:28] to
[04:26:29] 65 you know what I mean I ain't worried
[04:26:31] about Revenue right this second don't
[04:26:33] get me into the operating piece of it
[04:26:35] Karen I'll help I'll work with this
[04:26:36] gentleman right here and get that out
[04:26:39] well you know man you know that's that's
[04:26:41] a part of it you know you have to have a
[04:26:44] if it comes up to cost twice as much
[04:26:47] then
[04:26:49] um I can tell you that unless something
[04:26:52] major goes wrong that would not happen
[04:26:55] because at Guilford County before I come
[04:26:56] here we had the sports complexes and we
[04:26:58] had the aquatic centers and both of them
[04:27:00] made money so or not made money but
[04:27:04] they brought Revenue back in and I have
[04:27:09] a pretty good amount of exactly what
[04:27:11] it's going to take for cost wise how
[04:27:13] many people demand this to get what you
[04:27:15] done cuz like I said I'd already done
[04:27:17] this a couple years ago so all I got to
[04:27:19] do is pull that back out and update it
[04:27:20] to some new stuff that we've added and
[04:27:23] it won't take long to do Thomas how in
[04:27:25] terms of the size of the sports complex
[04:27:27] on this Sports plx because I'm familiar
[04:27:29] with the one in Greensboro what's the do
[04:27:32] you remember what the size was on that
[04:27:33] over there I don't blame you be there
[04:27:36] myself same thing okay it's same it's
[04:27:39] the same exact thing that Greensburg got
[04:27:42] basically the same size one street yeah
[04:27:46] same when are you supposed to retire
[04:27:48] Pizza Debbie Pizza I'm sorry Pizza as
[04:27:51] long as you're going to be there when
[04:27:52] all this stuff hits yep that is my goal
[04:27:55] I want to be there to be able to at
[04:27:56] least put the operating procedures in
[04:27:58] place make sure all the staff knows
[04:28:01] exactly what they need to do how it runs
[04:28:03] make sure it's running efficiently and
[04:28:05] then that way before I leave here it'll
[04:28:08] all be turned over to run hopefully like
[04:28:10] clockwork that that will go in the
[04:28:12] approval too so a signature from him
[04:28:15] that he will that he'll finish his thing
[04:28:19] don't stop contract extension and also I
[04:28:23] think we need to look at the campground
[04:28:24] now too I mean I don't think it's going
[04:28:26] to be you're you might as well right and
[04:28:29] something Acres you might as well grade
[04:28:30] that extra five right they're going down
[04:28:32] through there just a just a half a mile
[04:28:35] or a quarter of a mile with a gravel
[04:28:36] road it can be gravel wide enough
[04:28:39] usually it's a gravel with usually they
[04:28:40] put pads and then you just have in your
[04:28:43] power hookups what I'd really like to
[04:28:45] see and that's just me speaking is a
[04:28:48] circle with pull throughs yep yeah
[04:28:51] that's that's what we that's what we
[04:28:53] drew out to start with as much damage as
[04:28:55] I've seen them do with those AR pull
[04:28:57] throughs as much pull and maybe some
[04:28:59] tent camping along one area or whatever
[04:29:02] and that'll give you another bath house
[04:29:04] yeah but I don't think you're looking at
[04:29:05] tons of money to do that and um then it
[04:29:08] needs to stay pretty rustic to what it
[04:29:10] is now don't need I've rode through the
[04:29:12] on the side by side and don't need a lot
[04:29:14] of work down in that area so and I don't
[04:29:17] know if y'all been to the site or not
[04:29:18] but maybe a side by side and you guys
[04:29:21] out there on the site to get a feel for
[04:29:23] what it looks like especially you uh
[04:29:25] Corey when you're doing the the grading
[04:29:27] part of it you can look and kind of see
[04:29:29] what and it'll blend in with that disc
[04:29:32] golf area to the to the east of it I
[04:29:34] mean all that'll that whole in should
[04:29:37] stay nice and wooded and something we
[04:29:39] talked about Todd initially was how to
[04:29:41] serve is the the camping area in the
[04:29:43] bath house with uh trying to Value
[04:29:47] engineer on the pump station was the
[04:29:48] first thing that we looked that was
[04:29:50] trying to get the gravity sewer
[04:29:52] potentially across the creek that you
[04:29:54] see on the right hand side cuz I it
[04:29:57] didn't feel like when you have an area
[04:29:59] that's designated for camping and
[04:30:01] natural to have a a pump station that's
[04:30:03] got a red light that leaps and it just
[04:30:06] is a little out of place so I think you
[04:30:07] know depending on how far down towards
[04:30:09] the lake you want to push the camping
[04:30:11] area St um somehow we'll have to pop it
[04:30:15] back up potentially but we can
[04:30:17] definitely Draw Something El where's
[04:30:19] your disc golf court or whatever it's
[04:30:21] it's all going on this okay it actually
[04:30:25] goes basically all down that whole side
[04:30:27] down through there the whole side yeah
[04:30:29] pretty much all down through that side
[04:30:31] cuz each hole is about 4 500 feet so
[04:30:34] that's where that's where the
[04:30:35] campground's going right no cgr's going
[04:30:37] right in there yep it's going down along
[04:30:39] the side towards the road between them
[04:30:41] see access road right there that's kind
[04:30:43] of going into the campground but then
[04:30:45] this little parking lot up here is for
[04:30:46] your disc golf
[04:30:48] yep okay how big a area with the disc
[04:30:50] golf take remember disc golf all you do
[04:30:52] is just thin out the trees they play
[04:30:54] Between the Trees so but I'm saying
[04:30:57] where does it go how far down that it
[04:30:59] goes It goes all the way down into that
[04:31:00] lower area and it comes back all the way
[04:31:03] down yeah it's plan to be two
[04:31:05] courses couldn't you flip-flop that
[04:31:08] though well part of that is going to be
[04:31:11] looking because the disc golf can
[04:31:12] literally be about anywhere part of this
[04:31:15] like Cory was trying to say some of this
[04:31:17] Advantage is trying to figure out this
[04:31:18] sewer y demand down here for that just
[04:31:22] kind of where I was thinking with this
[04:31:23] kind of piggybacking on chairman there
[04:31:26] if you're going to have people pulling
[04:31:27] in you know campers and all that they're
[04:31:29] coming right out up there as opposed to
[04:31:31] have to come down into the opposed
[04:31:34] coming down here and turning left into
[04:31:35] it right yeah we might could look at a
[04:31:38] different there's another road up there
[04:31:39] we come come back out to to at least
[04:31:41] have pool off there that way they're not
[04:31:43] have to come in through that parking
[04:31:44] area and all that okay that makes sense
[04:31:47] I
[04:31:48] think I think that's something we need
[04:31:49] to get on the sideb side and ride
[04:31:51] because I don't want to mess up our
[04:31:52] campgr with disc golf and vice well like
[04:31:55] I said the disc golf if if you see it at
[04:31:58] Boon's cave Park and at Hughes Park it
[04:32:01] just goes into the landscape I mean
[04:32:03] you're only talking about a 15 20 foot
[04:32:05] wide area that's just cleaned out and
[04:32:06] they just come through and throw in the
[04:32:07] disc and they go straight down the edge
[04:32:10] of Owens
[04:32:12] they go right on down through there and
[04:32:13] then come back so they got to go down
[04:32:15] and back cuz like I said it's going to
[04:32:17] be two 18 hole courses out there so
[04:32:20] again we can hold tournaments disc golf
[04:32:21] tournaments out there as
[04:32:24] well but I'd really like to look and get
[04:32:26] you guys out there to go through there
[04:32:28] and see because we originally talked and
[04:32:31] and I've wrote it looks like it'd be a
[04:32:32] nice campground to me but it goes all
[04:32:35] the way back there in the back door it's
[04:32:36] really low I don't know that's probably
[04:32:38] the you said that was in the watered the
[04:32:41] H so the way that the ordinance is
[04:32:43] written for the wed locally the state's
[04:32:46] L BCT the site just left of the water
[04:32:50] park but the ordinance applies to the
[04:32:52] entirety of the property so if you were
[04:32:54] to get on like davidon County J M and
[04:32:57] you turn on the Watershed layer it's for
[04:32:59] the entire property that's what I I
[04:33:00] mentioned earlier I talked to the uh
[04:33:02] administrator uh Josh Josh Josh so as a
[04:33:07] part of what I was doing today we're
[04:33:09] making sure to stay under well
[04:33:11] underneath the 24% maximum for the whole
[04:33:14] site so what you're looking at now is
[04:33:16] about
[04:33:17] 15% that's even assuming pavement as
[04:33:20] well at
[04:33:21] 15% uh yes cuz I think I mean gravel
[04:33:26] while it it I think it is technically
[04:33:27] impervious is it still considered just
[04:33:32] yes there are some
[04:33:33] creative
[04:33:36] St have recently come out that have had
[04:33:39] tried to speak to gravel being more in
[04:33:41] flood administrator in over 10 years or
[04:33:44] mean Watershed administrator in over 10
[04:33:45] years but I remember that so state
[04:33:48] senator Jarvis was involved in help push
[04:33:50] some of
[04:33:51] that because that was argued both ways
[04:33:54] where it wasn't yeah yeah some
[04:33:55] municipalities did not recognize that
[04:33:57] impervious some did and that made a huge
[04:34:00] difference and now the state law roughly
[04:34:03] is saying that of stone 4 Ines of stone
[04:34:05] and such like that is not and so it's
[04:34:08] it's it's kind of getting worked out now
[04:34:10] so that may help us some are not doing
[04:34:12] some we're not pushing like Cory just
[04:34:14] said we're pushing even with this
[04:34:15] asphalt we're only pushing like 15 and
[04:34:18] you're not talking about adding 10 more
[04:34:20] perc that be 36 more Acres of impervious
[04:34:23] area and that's definitely Watershed not
[04:34:25] flood plane yes
[04:34:33] okay plane would be way more problematic
[04:34:35] if you had that I'm surprised flood
[04:34:38] plane's not on the back of that property
[04:34:40] cuz I'm I'm really surprised it's
[04:34:43] not no I mean I these places I mean yeah
[04:34:47] iin developing flood plane you know just
[04:34:50] I got to pay higher insurance or
[04:34:52] whatever but there's a big piece I'm
[04:34:53] looking at now that's got 40 acres of
[04:34:55] flood plane in it bu with free board y I
[04:34:58] don't think I'll ever see it flood I
[04:34:59] mean it's just one of those pieces of
[04:35:01] property that's in the flood plane
[04:35:03] that's not but anyhow all right uh so I
[04:35:06] think we got a path forward is that
[04:35:09] right I think so I think we got our just
[04:35:11] to make sure that again for some we'll
[04:35:15] help Thomas prepare a spreadsheet that
[04:35:18] helps understand timeline and cash flow
[04:35:20] and identifying the major Milestone or
[04:35:22] the major project Awards and if you just
[04:35:24] want to show it to me in yeah in the
[04:35:26] phases or however you want to do it I'll
[04:35:28] get with him on the operating part of it
[04:35:30] how what what happens once we open it we
[04:35:32] just put every year and then what we
[04:35:34] think's happening in what year and what
[04:35:35] that contract is and the amounts so do
[04:35:38] you all think we can have that by the
[04:35:39] next informational meeting project bu
[04:35:42] that's going to be in April
[04:35:44] unless we can talk about it at the
[04:35:46] budget Retreat too if y'all you think
[04:35:48] you can do this by the first part of
[04:35:49] March or have it done I think so or yeah
[04:35:53] yeah I think cuz we actually all the
[04:35:55] data is pretty much there it's just a
[04:35:57] matter sit busting it out and showing it
[04:35:59] right if you can send it to me in the
[04:36:00] next by here toward the end of this
[04:36:02] month I'd be we'll be good to go when's
[04:36:05] our Retreat like sixth or six sth so
[04:36:09] that's our next informational meeting
[04:36:11] we're going to do it on
[04:36:12] the around the same time we'll do it at
[04:36:15] the March informational meeting meting
[04:36:18] yes okay that sounds good U we want all
[04:36:22] the information yeah that's a retreat
[04:36:24] we're going to do it at the retreat so
[04:36:26] that there you go the public gets to
[04:36:27] hear there as well right I'd rather have
[04:36:30] it in the public on Monday night no
[04:36:34] we'll have it on the Monday night too
[04:36:35] I'm say more discussion yeah this is
[04:36:37] just for discussion but they'll be
[04:36:39] everybody will hear everything we got to
[04:36:40] hear dur Retreat that way they'll see it
[04:36:43] it'll be a video they can go look at it
[04:36:48] yep all right got a couple more things
[04:36:51] we we'll go on to the next thank y'all
[04:36:53] y'all might as well get out of here it's
[04:36:55] been uh a long day for y'all and
[04:36:59] U I don't think y'all want to hang out
[04:37:02] with us anymore well get on out of here
[04:37:05] for ha can absorb only what yeah brain
[04:37:09] can absorb only what to e all right rear
[04:37:12] can endure know what they
[04:37:14] 7K roof replacement yes this is these
[04:37:18] last two are real quick um you guys
[04:37:20] approved back last August I think for
[04:37:23] Davis Townson roof project which is
[04:37:25] supposed to come in about 1.4 1.5
[04:37:28] million at that time you guys put up
[04:37:30] 628k and told the schools you know they
[04:37:33] got to file a Lottery application for
[04:37:35] public school building capital and bring
[04:37:36] it back this is simply asking for the
[04:37:38] chairman to give him the authorization
[04:37:40] to sign that application remember both
[04:37:42] boards have to approve that application
[04:37:44] to access that money school board's
[04:37:46] already signed their as I understand it
[04:37:47] Monday night and brought us up here so
[04:37:49] it's just following through with what
[04:37:50] we've already done basically the money's
[04:37:52] already been approved and already been
[04:37:53] appropriated and
[04:37:54] done I'll make a motion second to
[04:37:58] approve the submission of the lottery
[04:38:00] funding application
[04:38:02] second second all in favor I
[04:38:06] I all right since Lee's not here we want
[04:38:09] a discussion on permit choice or is that
[04:38:12] something take both of his and move them
[04:38:15] do what this um but I know we moved the
[04:38:18] one but we didn't move this one earlier
[04:38:20] so no I thought we did yeah I think we
[04:38:22] moved both of them we moved both yeah I
[04:38:24] didn't know that cuz I didn't know but
[04:38:25] I'm sorry of the one thing both of them
[04:38:27] that he had on to since we don't have
[04:38:29] anything for
[04:38:31] deliberation he says that's going to be
[04:38:32] a really short conversation he just
[04:38:34] wanted to get get you all up to speed on
[04:38:36] it okay the one I was talking about
[04:38:39] earlier was M text Amendment to the
[04:38:41] zoning ordinance that I knew he was with
[04:38:45] so anyhow
[04:38:48] um and S N so the last one is the topics
[04:38:53] for that uh budget work session in March
[04:38:57] all I have right now unless you all have
[04:38:59] something different is we'll go over all
[04:39:01] what I call the financials the County's
[04:39:04] budgeting position if you will uh where
[04:39:06] we think things are looking for next
[04:39:07] year we'll talk about all our big
[04:39:10] projects again we talked about the
[04:39:12] biggest one today but we'll talk about
[04:39:13] the rest of them a little bit more in
[04:39:15] depth um and we'll have the update on
[04:39:17] this on that big one there hopefully
[04:39:19] ready for that meeting I want to talk a
[04:39:22] little bit about school supplements the
[04:39:23] local supplement piece not the state
[04:39:25] piece we've all know about so I want to
[04:39:27] get into that just a little bit and then
[04:39:29] the last one is um I want to get lead to
[04:39:31] work with you all on what I'll just call
[04:39:33] some you know we were bought a twoyear
[04:39:35] moratorium for the solar farm I want to
[04:39:38] walk through some some potential ways
[04:39:40] strategizing about how to deal with that
[04:39:42] we've got you know some ideas but I want
[04:39:45] to run them by you guys well I'll call
[04:39:46] zoning issues how to deal with it you
[04:39:49] know because the the last bill that got
[04:39:51] updated by the state uh was it 382 I
[04:39:53] mean it knocked it it took out the down
[04:39:56] zoning piece so but we've got some other
[04:39:58] ideas on some things we might could do
[04:40:00] with what we'll call government
[04:40:02] property there has been some legislation
[04:40:04] filed some some big legislation filed to
[04:40:07] try to repeal that and then there's been
[04:40:09] several local bills filed to try to have
[04:40:11] local acts to get away with the down
[04:40:13] zoning in the past week or so yeah I've
[04:40:16] seen that that'll work itself out y I
[04:40:19] don't anticipate that taking us from
[04:40:21] about like today to 8 to lunch we we'll
[04:40:24] have lunch available um and we may get
[04:40:27] done before that I don't know it just
[04:40:28] depends how much discuss available at
[04:40:31] like 11:30 that way we can just sort of
[04:40:33] split the morning and then after that
[04:40:36] I'll don't have anything
[04:40:38] else okay um I want to go back back and
[04:40:42] touch on it real quick I meant to do it
[04:40:43] earlier instead of a per mile um maybe
[04:40:47] for the volunteers for that well don't
[04:40:50] we do well I jump around my mind's
[04:40:53] jumping around we give some
[04:40:55] committees Monies to serve on those
[04:40:58] committees yeah so instead of doing
[04:41:00] mileage it's very hard to keep up with
[04:41:02] yeah why don't we just do a set fee
[04:41:04] whether they get $20 per visit or $30
[04:41:08] per visit of something and that way that
[04:41:10] would be more in line with what we do I
[04:41:13] know like the the DSs board I think we
[04:41:15] get $20 a Mee the health department is
[04:41:18] 20 20 y planning board if I'm not
[04:41:22] mistaken I think they get some money uh
[04:41:24] I'm not so sure might not I don't think
[04:41:26] they get anything the planning board and
[04:41:29] you know that's something I'd mentioned
[04:41:31] before that we need to do I mean it's a
[04:41:33] shame that we ask people to serve on
[04:41:35] these boards like this on the planning
[04:41:36] board that's very controversial board
[04:41:38] sometime a lot of work Board of adjust
[04:41:41] of adjustment PA I think right and they
[04:41:44] may not even get enough to bring their
[04:41:46] buy their gas to get up here and get
[04:41:48] back home you know I mean 20 bucks ain't
[04:41:50] a lot of lot of money for to take and
[04:41:52] I'm not saying I mean people's doing it
[04:41:54] for a reason they're doing it because
[04:41:55] they want to give back to the community
[04:41:57] but again are we being fair to some of
[04:42:00] these people but I mean that $20
[04:42:02] probably hadn't been changed in 30 years
[04:42:04] well what would $20 buy 30 years ago
[04:42:07] what it'll buy today so what what's y
[04:42:11] thoughts on on that that makes more
[04:42:13] sense than the mileage well you got
[04:42:17] Parks R yeah Jack and River Park you
[04:42:20] going give them all or you just going to
[04:42:21] tell them you ain't worth any M no I
[04:42:22] mean I'm I'm okay with giving them all I
[04:42:24] mean I again you ask people to serve on
[04:42:26] these things and and you you can't even
[04:42:29] buy them gas you know I mean and again
[04:42:31] $20 ain't going to ain't going to hurt
[04:42:34] us in the scheme of things at all I mean
[04:42:36] a lady that works for me is on the parks
[04:42:38] and wreck she's never asked for a penny
[04:42:40] she's just like that said in Meals on
[04:42:42] Wheels I'm sure but $20 would have her
[04:42:44] buy a little gas to get to the meeting
[04:42:46] and I know she lives on a budget but
[04:42:49] that's just my thought I don't I
[04:42:50] wouldn't I wouldn't feel comfortable
[04:42:52] taking any money serving on the yak
[04:42:54] Riverport you got to be fair you'd have
[04:42:56] to pay everybody just on that committee
[04:42:58] and I think we enjoy it so much we don't
[04:43:00] I don't I
[04:43:03] don't do you a got any idea how much i'
[04:43:06] go uh well I mean I can tell you it
[04:43:09] ain't going to cost a lot and the scheme
[04:43:11] of things um you could do it on the
[04:43:14] statutorily required
[04:43:18] boards I mean the board like like like
[04:43:21] the board of adjustment the planning
[04:43:22] board these these community action
[04:43:24] committees that we have to have
[04:43:25] statutorily and you're right there
[04:43:27] there's a difference Steve because some
[04:43:30] you guys have you guys have created
[04:43:32] yourselves to serve on the parks and Bo
[04:43:34] W board you may want to do that just
[04:43:36] because you love parks and racks so
[04:43:37] there you go and it's not stat statut
[04:43:40] toally but again I just think we're not
[04:43:42] being fair to some of our servers the
[04:43:44] airport board I I don't think we get any
[04:43:46] money for serving on that man we was
[04:43:48] there like four hours the other night
[04:43:50] you know and not that I need money for
[04:43:53] everything I do but I mean I'm looking
[04:43:55] at these other folks on there they
[04:43:57] serving you know for zero too you
[04:44:00] know take time they take their gas their
[04:44:04] vehicles and then they spend four hours
[04:44:06] in a
[04:44:08] meeting but if you don't go I you don't
[04:44:10] get the money right if you don't go you
[04:44:12] don't get the money yeah I don't think
[04:44:14] it ought to be mandatory um you get it
[04:44:17] just per meeting per per board
[04:44:21] meeting but as hard as that airport
[04:44:23] board worked the other night I mean I
[04:44:25] almost want to get up and give them $50
[04:44:26] a piece out of my pocket I mean that's
[04:44:28] how our day worked all night you know
[04:44:30] and I'm like these guys need a little
[04:44:32] something for their
[04:44:35] time so so when do we want to discuss
[04:44:38] that in the budget Retreat yeah let's
[04:44:41] let's think about it yeah let's write
[04:44:44] that down Casey I am but but if y'all
[04:44:46] know we won't even bring it up I mean I
[04:44:48] don't want to bring it up if nobody
[04:44:49] wants to do it you want to pull the
[04:44:50] board what do you want to do it's worth
[04:44:52] discussing at The Retreat I do
[04:44:55] too no you don't want to discuss it at
[04:44:57] Retreat well we can discuss it that but
[04:45:00] you know for it yep
[04:45:04] I maybe that's why we need to start okay
[04:45:08] about maybe that's why we need to you
[04:45:09] only talking about the the one that
[04:45:11] legislated stat St required not all of
[04:45:14] them just the ones that statuto required
[04:45:17] well you can talk about all of them and
[04:45:20] then a little which we get 20 now we'll
[04:45:23] give them 25 rather than mileage per car
[04:45:26] cuz that's can be manipulated yeah I
[04:45:28] don't want to do mileage that is hard to
[04:45:31] deal with track tracking it and all that
[04:45:33] M like say again it's not fair that we
[04:45:36] do in some of the boards statutory
[04:45:41] uh required boards and not paying the
[04:45:43] other ones on those boards so let's come
[04:45:45] in with the list and talk about yeah
[04:45:47] yeah uh if you'll give us that list up
[04:45:50] uh that'll be great for the budget
[04:45:51] Retreat we'll talk about it uh Casey do
[04:45:54] we have Clos session I yes sir we got
[04:45:56] one econom development project before
[04:45:58] you do that the gentleman that was
[04:46:02] ptrc what would keep us from him
[04:46:05] scanning the rest of the counties and
[04:46:08] cities and find out are they having the
[04:46:10] the same issues with the nursing home oh
[04:46:15] they are I sent you all the email that
[04:46:18] came across the clerk's list serve that
[04:46:20] it's it's throughout the state the
[04:46:22] volunteers you talking the volunteers
[04:46:24] yes what I was saying is if we could
[04:46:26] find out which ones or where they're
[04:46:30] getting their um application from if
[04:46:34] they're getting any in other words use
[04:46:38] at least use what we've got
[04:46:41] so I don't know that I understood the
[04:46:42] original question did y'all about the
[04:46:45] cities what was the question about the
[04:46:46] cities this was a this was a nuring home
[04:46:50] and um
[04:46:54] the can't think this was about the the
[04:46:58] nursing rooms and the volunteers and we
[04:47:01] were discussing how we going to do that
[04:47:04] I've said before maybe it would be a
[04:47:06] good idea to contact the people who
[04:47:10] do that to find out it's
[04:47:16] just I like the home
[04:47:19] homework yeah I agree all right so do we
[04:47:22] need a motion for Clos session no no we
[04:47:24] going you said Monday night we're going
[04:47:26] to do that on Monday night 9 yes yes
[04:47:31] sir motion for close session second on
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[05:13:00] do chairman the board consider one
[05:13:02] matter of economic development in Clos
[05:13:04] session and provided direction to staff
[05:13:06] all right I'll make a motion uh we come
[05:13:08] out a close session
[05:13:10] second uh I'll make a motion since we
[05:13:12] have the report that we
[05:13:15] adjourn second all in favor